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Old 25th January 2008, 14:39   #91
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Hi All,

Please think about the below and let me know your views.

If one can get a Indica Xeta GLG at 3 Lakh ex showroom after discounts (actual price is 3.3 lakh), then is it worth paying 1 lakh more (99k to be exact) ex showroom for the Indigo CS GLS. (I'm confident there would be no discounts on a new release)

The Indica Xeta GLG also comes loaded with features compared to Indigo CS GLS.
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Man! TATAs do deserve a reward! Look at how many models they have created just by playing with Indica's A**.
  1. Indica
  2. Indigo CS
  3. Indigo
  4. Indigo XL
  5. Indigo Marina
Well, when you have spent a bomb on getting something designed at a first-rate design studio, you better extract every cent out if... be it adding a boot, or trimming the bumpers…
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If one can get a Indica Xeta GLG at 3 Lakh ex showroom after discounts (actual price is 3.3 lakh), then is it worth paying 1 lakh more (99k to be exact) ex showroom for the Indigo CS GLS.

The Indica Xeta GLG also comes loaded with features compared to Indigo CS GLS.
Well it depends on whether you want a hatch or a sedan?
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Hi All,

Please think about the below and let me know your views.

If one can get a Indica Xeta GLG at 3 Lakh ex showroom after discounts (actual price is 3.3 lakh), then is it worth paying 1 lakh more (99k to be exact) ex showroom for the Indigo CS GLS. (I'm confident there would be no discounts on a new release)

The Indica Xeta GLG also comes loaded with features compared to Indigo CS GLS.
Don't compare a hatch and a 3 box car. People opting for 3 box will compare it with logan, current indigo, esteem etc.. We surely know who is winner there in terms of pricing..
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Don't compare a hatch and a 3 box car. People opting for 3 box will compare it with logan, current indigo, esteem etc.. We surely know who is winner there in terms of pricing..
how many people understands hatch, notch or sedan. 99% on indians refer to indigo as as indica with a boot.
and paying extra one lacs for boot will be hard for them.

on the other hand diesel indigo cs will be compared to the swift diesel and will be more preffered due to cost and space
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It might sound funny but still if comparing other Tata Models Indigo CS Petrol is 25 k overpriced or in other words could be sold at 3.60 lakh ex showroom

Reason ?

Indica Xeta GLG is 3 Lakh ex show after discount from past almost 1 Year ( so its long term discount!) and Indica Turbo DLG is approx 4.00 Lakh Ex Showroom so diffrence is I lakh for exactly same features but engine Petrol versus Diesel


Now in Indigo CS The price difference between Petrol and Diesel Model is Just 50 k that is way less than I lakh as I above mentioned

So in conclusion either they are selling Indigo CS( Diesel) at some discount or Indigo CS ( Petrol ) at Premium
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It might sound funny but still if comparing other Tata Models Indigo CS Petrol is 25 k overpriced or in other words could be sold at 3.60 lakh ex showroom

Reason ?

Indica Xeta GLG is 3 Lakh ex show after discount from past almost 1 Year ( so its long term discount!) and Indica Turbo DLG is approx 4.00 Lakh Ex Showroom so diffrence is I lakh for exactly same features but engine Petrol versus Diesel

So in conclusion either they are selling Indigo CS( Diesel) at some discount or Indigo CS ( Petrol ) at Premium
as you yourself have said, the indica GLG is being sold at a discount. thats why. diesels and sedans will sell anyway , but to sell a petrol tata hatch, needs a really low price, given the choice in that segment , and tata competes on VFM alone.
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also comparing it with indigo gvs ( with ac & power steering) which is 4.44 lacs in mumbai and has a discount of 30000 over it (it costs 4.14..) now the savings from excise benifits to tata are much more then 14000/- which is difference between gvs and cs petrol models
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Whatever car Tatas try to bring into the market, its Dealers are its weakest link in the supply chain. I feel until Tata takes steps to train the dealers in technical & other matters and not leave it to dealer owners, Tatas will find it difficult to increase its margin against Hyundai and Maruti.
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how many people understands hatch, notch or sedan. 99% on indians refer to indigo as as indica with a boot.
and paying extra one lacs for boot will be hard for them.
The Indigo sales suggest otherwise. Now dont expect Indigo to do the same numbers as the Indica.

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on the other hand diesel indigo cs will be compared to the swift diesel and will be more preffered due to cost and space
People dont understand the difference b/w a Notch back and a Saloon, because they look almost the same. But difference b/w a hatch and saloon is very obvious even to an absolute layman.
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People dont understand the difference b/w a Notch back and a Saloon, because they look almost the same. But difference b/w a hatch and saloon is very obvious even to an absolute layman. __________________
Exactly on spot

I live in very small town i n Punjab. Any lay man here or even educated one will classify the car as small car aka hatchback and big car aka Saloon so definately Indigo CS although shortest Saloon will be called Big Car .
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Whatever car Tatas try to bring into the market, its Dealers are its weakest link in the supply chain. I feel until Tata takes steps to train the dealers in technical & other matters and not leave it to dealer owners, Tatas will find it difficult to increase its margin against Hyundai and Maruti.
it has already been into action since last year.Extensive training is underway for the new launches.
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I am on a look out for the car. Well, since November 07 or so. So far, Logan GLS(shifted from DLS to GLS) has been on top of the list. And, none of the Tata cars are present in the shortlist i have drawn - Ford Fusion, Honda City and Skoda Fabia.

I am on a look out for a big car in terms of 'good engineering', internal space/boot and style. The order of preference, in that order,which is why Logan is on top of the list. Unfortunately, none of the Tata cars made into the list because of the 'Engineering' factor.

I did test drive Indigo Marina. It looks awesome(which is the last quality i am interested in), awesome boot space, awesome legroom and seating space. But, what matters the most, and that one criterion which one must give top most importance - reliability, refinement of Power train, build quality,mechanicals - are all very poor. When i sat in Indigo Marina Diesel, the engine vibration was so much inside the 'cabin', that if some one continues driving it, he would end up with a psychosomatic disorder. The claim of the sales executive that the vibration reduces once the car is driven does not washoff so easily on a prospective buyer.

There are other anecdotes - that a friend of my friend bought a new Tata safari and taking delivery of it. By the time he went home with the new Safari, few plastics in the dash board had fallen off. Admitted, i am not a witness to this incident, therefore, may be true or not. Nonetheless, such anecdotes existing is a problem in the first place. I am sure the new Tata Nano would have loads of quality problem.

What is the problem Tata's have? The problem is that of the mindset - That one can sell any damn stuff in the name of low cost. That a typical indian buyer is happy buying a car by paying less, than getting a quality product. Unfortunately, i believe, this mindset is no longer true. This was a mindset that existed in the tyranasaurus era of this country - 50s,60s,70s and 80s. But, hey, did we not junk that socialist era, where a mediocre fiat padmini or Ambassador was being pushed as luxury cars? Indians deserve good quality stuff and we can produce good quality as the best in the world.But for Tatas, stillll stuck in the socialist era mentality - give a damn to quality, people want things cheap.

I am going for Logan GLS as it is value for money.
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Just back from Prerana Motors, where I had gone to take a look at the Indigo CS. From a space / price perspective, its unbeatable. Nothing comes close. But I am still not too sure if a private buyer will put up with the poor finish of practically every interior bit. I wish Tata spends another 10k extra per vehicle (charge the customer!) and get the interior trim right.
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I am on a look out for the car. Well, since November 07 or so. So far, Logan GLS(shifted from DLS to GLS) has been on top of the list. And, none of the Tata cars are present in the shortlist i have drawn - Ford Fusion, Honda City and Skoda Fabia.

I am on a look out for a big car in terms of 'good engineering', internal space/boot and style. The order of preference, in that order,which is why Logan is on top of the list. Unfortunately, none of the Tata cars made into the list because of the 'Engineering' factor.

I did test drive Indigo Marina. It looks awesome(which is the last quality i am interested in), awesome boot space, awesome legroom and seating space. But, what matters the most, and that one criterion which one must give top most importance - reliability, refinement of Power train, build quality,mechanicals - are all very poor. When i sat in Indigo Marina Diesel, the engine vibration was so much inside the 'cabin', that if some one continues driving it, he would end up with a psychosomatic disorder. The claim of the sales executive that the vibration reduces once the car is driven does not washoff so easily on a prospective buyer.

There are other anecdotes - that a friend of my friend bought a new Tata safari and taking delivery of it. By the time he went home with the new Safari, few plastics in the dash board had fallen off. Admitted, i am not a witness to this incident, therefore, may be true or not. Nonetheless, such anecdotes existing is a problem in the first place. I am sure the new Tata Nano would have loads of quality problem.

What is the problem Tata's have? The problem is that of the mindset - That one can sell any damn stuff in the name of low cost. That a typical indian buyer is happy buying a car by paying less, than getting a quality product. Unfortunately, i believe, this mindset is no longer true. This was a mindset that existed in the tyranasaurus era of this country - 50s,60s,70s and 80s. But, hey, did we not junk that socialist era, where a mediocre fiat padmini or Ambassador was being pushed as luxury cars? Indians deserve good quality stuff and we can produce good quality as the best in the world.But for Tatas, stillll stuck in the socialist era mentality - give a damn to quality, people want things cheap.

I am going for Logan GLS as it is value for money.
Well, I agree on the mind-set issue, they need to do something to change it, not their own, but of people, who just based on hearsay, gossip and loose talk consider their vehicles really poor quality, especially when logan, which is nothing but a box on four wheels is considered way to superior.
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