the truth about-swift ddis,palio mjd-engines - Page 2 - Team-BHP

directinjection · 12th February 2008, 13:18

JTD 1.3 is the popular choice of many car manufacturers in Europe and we are witnessing the same trend in India.

An informative article about Fiat's new engines:

italiaspeed.com: Fiat Grande Punto

FERRO · 12th February 2008, 13:19

Mr Ram hyundai are you on pay for spreading false information about Multijet engines ?

I request to the Moderators to please take care of such spamming threads.

finneyp · 12th February 2008, 13:24

Before creating such threads, it would make a lot of sense if a search on Google is done!

jaibir · 12th February 2008, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by FERRO

Mr Ram hyundai are you on pay for spreading false information about Multijet engines ?

I request to the Moderators to please take care of such spamming threads.

Ferro, Ram works for a MUL dealership. Earlier I believe he was with a Hyundai dealership, hence the name.

Why do you call this a spamming thread? I found it to be an engaging discusssion.

FERRO · 12th February 2008, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaibir

Ferro, Ram works for a MUL dealership. Earlier I believe he was with a Hyundai dealership, hence the name.

Why do you call this a spamming thread? I found it to be an engaging discusssion.

I don't care where he works but without proper evidence he claims to have found out the truth about Multijet or DDiS engines isn't that spamming ?

spindoc · 12th February 2008, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaibir

Ferro, Ram works for a MUL dealership. Earlier I believe he was with a Hyundai dealership, hence the name.

Why do you call this a spamming thread? I found it to be an engaging discusssion.

. There's been a lot of noise about Swift-D doing well solely because of the JTD engine from Fiat. Hence, a discussion about the engine's origins is definitely welcome. All of us admire Fiat Research's contributions to this outstanding engine but the fact remains that ownership of the engine platform is split 50-50 between Fiat and GM.

srishiva · 12th February 2008, 13:35

Lets stay calm. Its easy to get confused with this sort of issue (multijet, unijet, bosch etc.,). Please give benefit of doubt to Ram.

By the way, Isn't JTD different from MJD ?

BUSA · 12th February 2008, 13:41

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Originally Posted by srishiva

By the way, Isn't JTD different from MJD ?

Its the same thing i guess.

spindoc · 12th February 2008, 13:42

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Originally Posted by srishiva

By the way, Isn't JTD different from MJD ?

No. Multijet is the name for the 2nd gen JTDs.. also represented by JTD subscripted with an M.

srishiva · 12th February 2008, 13:44

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Originally Posted by spindoc

No. Multijet is the name for the 2nd gen JTDs.. also represented by JTD subscripted with an M.

I thought JTD is unijet. Hence multi in the second generation engines.

sushanthr77 · 12th February 2008, 13:47

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Originally Posted by ram_hyundai

there is a popular belief running arround the automotive circles that fiat is supplying engines to msil for the swift diesels.

Really?

I never heard these stories? How do you expect Fiat to supply to MSIL when it was not even manufacturing it in India when Swift D was released? Was MSIL importing?

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Originally Posted by ram_hyundai

the truth is -gm,fiat,and msil have obtained rights from bosch to manufacture and sell the engine in question.

There is more to diesel engines than just the common rail ;-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram_hyundai

swift ddis engine is never a fiat engine

Does it really matter?

I think you should get your facts right before posting such topics. A good place to start is here:
GM Media Online

greenhorn · 12th February 2008, 14:08

Let me pick this apart . Of course, I'm no expert, do correct me if I'm wrong. That is , after all, the point of this discussion

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram_hyundai

the truth is -gm,fiat,and msil have obtained rights from bosch to manufacture and sell the engine in question.

True . I believe bosch owns the IP for Common rail diesels, so it would be appropriate. not just these companies, any Common rail diesel, Tata's Dicor also licenses it from bosch

Quote:

swift ddis engine is never a fiat engine
fiat mjd engine wont be manufactured by msil

Cant quite make that out. According to this article

Quote:

the Swift diesel, meanwhile, would roll out in November this year with a 1.3 JTD engine from Fiat which it will manufacture under license from the latter

the facts are that the the design is a GM/Fiat design which maruti has licensed. On the other hand , maruti doesnt claim it to be a fiat engine(obviously :P) , and advertises its own DDiS

It seems like you want to say that the engine is not a Fiat, but a Bosch engine while actually, it is BOTH

sushanthr77 · 12th February 2008, 14:17

Here comes another one

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

...Tata's Dicor also licenses it from bosch...

spadival · 12th February 2008, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by spindoc

. There's been a lot of noise about Swift-D doing well solely because of the JTD engine from Fiat. Hence, a discussion about the engine's origins is definitely welcome. All of us admire Fiat Research's contributions to this outstanding engine but the fact remains that ownership of the engine platform is split 50-50 between Fiat and GM.

If we extend that argument further, ALMOST everything else in the Auto industry is 50-50 ownership !! GM had a stake in Suzuki as well.. So the credit for Suzuki SX4 should go to Suzuki, Fiat, GM and a hundred other companies standing in line.

greenhorn · 12th February 2008, 14:25

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Originally Posted by sushanthr77

Here comes another one

whoops . just realized that it was delphi

anyway, the nano CRDi will be bosch right

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directinjection BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi/Faridabad Posts: 747	JTD 1.3 is the popular choice of many car manufacturers in Europe and we are witnessing the same trend in India. An informative article about Fiat's new engines: italiaspeed.com: Fiat Grande Punto Last edited by directinjection : 12th February 2008 at 13:29.

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finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,457 View My Garage	Before creating such threads, it would make a lot of sense if a search on Google is done! __________________ Drive Safe, your loved ones need you!!! My Passion is not driving Cars, but driving a FIAT! Finney, Bangalore Palio 1.2 NV - 2004

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srishiva BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 708	Lets stay calm. Its easy to get confused with this sort of issue (multijet, unijet, bosch etc.,). Please give benefit of doubt to Ram. By the way, Isn't JTD different from MJD ? Last edited by srishiva : 12th February 2008 at 13:36.

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FERRO BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 204	Mr Ram hyundai are you on pay for spreading false information about Multijet engines ? I request to the Moderators to please take care of such spamming threads.