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Old 12th February 2008, 22:42   #46
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Under license from FIAT GM Powertrain Polska. After the entity was dissolved both companies retained intellectual property from the JV.
This has been discussed several times in the forum, and i hope atleast this time, a conclusion is reached!

So, as i understand from this thread now- Is this correct?

1. FIAT and GM own the 1.3 multijet engine. Its not a FIAT engine, but a FIAT- GM engine.
2. Suzuki has no involvement in the development of the engines.
3. As per GM- Suzuki deal, Suzuki has the right to use the multijet engines in their vehicles.
4. Suzuki does not have to pay royalty for using the engines (?)
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Before creating such threads, it would make a lot of sense if a search on Google is done!
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Mr Ram hyundai are you on pay for spreading false information about Multijet engines ? I request to the Moderators to please take care of such spamming threads.
Why not take part in some active discussion instead?

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Old 12th February 2008, 22:55   #47
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adding to the top questions from crazy driver

5. will tata also get their hands on this engine? .... already palio then with indica and punto all to come with same hearts !!!
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Old 12th February 2008, 22:58   #48
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Btw, OT we are soon getting a first drive of the Tata Indica 1.3 Multijet that would have an engine made at the Fiat-Tata Ranjangaon plant that houses Fiat Powertrain.
How do you manage all these things man? How about including a couple of non influential souls like yours truly for a few exclusive TD's?
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adding to the top questions from crazy driver

5. will tata also get their hands on this engine? .... already palio then with indica and punto all to come with same hearts !!!
Yes. They are using it for the Indica and the car was displayed at the Auto Expo along with the Dicor engine powered Indica.

I heard that later some time the Aveo U-VA as well the Aveo will come powered by the 1.3 Multijet engines. So will the SX4 sedan. I think at one point of time we'll only be left with the choice of bodies and need not worry about the powertrain.
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Does maruti have the license to manufacture the VGT version as well?
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Old 12th February 2008, 23:33   #51
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A loyal hyundai buddy now batting for Maruti...otherwise the title would have been " Fiat the heart of Swift"
Dude ram now works for Maruti Suzuki India. He used to work for Hyundai India.

As for the info i think there are a lot of threads where this has been discussed and i totally agree with some points by Ram and CrAzY dRiVeR.

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1. FIAT and GM own the 1.3 multijet engine. Its not a FIAT engine, but a FIAT- GM engine.
2. Suzuki has no involvement in the development of the engines.
3. As per GM- Suzuki deal, Suzuki has the right to use the multijet engines in their vehicles.
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Old 13th February 2008, 00:03   #52
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Btw, OT we are soon getting a first drive of the Tata Indica 1.3 Multijet that would have an engine made at the Fiat-Tata Ranjangaon plant that houses Fiat Powertrain.
Sorry for going OT:
The current Indica or the new Indica X1? Will the current Indica be offered with the 1.3? If so, that would be an awesome deal!
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If i'm not wrong GM wasn't involved in the design of the JTD,MJD engines,they were developed by Fiat with the help of Bosch.GM got rights to the JTD engine as a settlement of the failed merger,so that diesel engines could be guaranteed for its other brands in Europe like Opel.

So basically MJD,JTD is developed by Fiat owned by Fiat/GM.
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If i'm not wrong GM wasn't involved in the design of the JTD,MJD engines,they were developed by Fiat with the help of Bosch.GM got rights to the JTD engine as a settlement of the failed merger,so that diesel engines could be guaranteed for its other brands in Europe like Opel.

So basically MJD,JTD is developed by Fiat owned by Fiat/GM.
Not quite. The engines were developed by FIAT-GM Powertrain BV, a company based in the Netherlands with its manufacturing unit in Poland - together with Bosch.

GM did not get the rights as a 'settlement' - both parties owned the company that developed these engines and therefore both of them retained the right to manufacture it.

Its a bit like shared parental rights to a child after a divorce.

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Not quite. The engines were developed by FIAT-GM Powertrain BV, a company based in the Netherlands with its manufacturing unit in Poland - together with Bosch.

GM did not get the rights as a 'settlement' - both parties owned the company that developed these engines and therefore both of them retained the right to manufacture it.
ok i'm wrong then,so the devlopment took place after the merger.

edit:after some googling,i came up with this

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Modern common rail systems, whilst working on the same principle, are governed by an engine control unit (ECU) which opens each injector electronically rather than mechanically. This was extensively prototyped in the 1990s, with collaboration between Magneti Marelli, Centro Ricerche Fiat and Elasis. After research and development by the Fiat Group, the design was acquired by the German company Robert Bosch GmbH for completion of development and making suitable for mass-production. In 1997 they extended its use for passenger cars. The first passenger car that used the common rail system was the 1997 model Alfa Romeo 156 1.9 JTD and later on that same year Mercedes-Benz E 320 CDI.
The Fiat GM deal took place in 2000,but the JTD was developed in 1997,so how did GM co-develop this with Fiat? Maybe GM co-owns the design of the second generation JTD which is also called as the Multijet or MJD.So whatever the new developments by fiat in the third generation will be for use by Fiat only.

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The Fiat GM deal took place in 2000,but the JTD was developed in 1997,so how did GM co-develop this with Fiat?
Common- rail technology was developed by FIAT and first came in the Alfa romeo. However, FIAT did not cash in on it, and sold it off to Bosch. However, we are not talking of common- rails in general here.

Interestingly, Wikipedia mentions this in bold. I'm not sure of the truth in it.
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Technological help from Suzuki Motor Corporation (SMC) has been taken in the development of this engine.
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not referring to you CrAzY dRiVeR.

OMG,what a prick,absolute idiot whoever has done this and its obviously someone from this forum.Editing a wiki artilce is not going to get you anywhere.You know what,you are not even good enough for wiki,what a horrible way of writing that statement to make it obvious,the placement,language and font is all wrong. zero/10


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that is sick. editing wikipedia to support your arguement. the admins should be able to cross check the IP's if required.

is is possible ?

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It was someone using youtele(Iqara) internet service most likely from Surat,Gujrat(maybe a server loaction).

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Editing a wiki artilce is not going to get you anywhere.You know what,you are not even good enough for wiki,what a horrible way of writing that statement to make it obvious,the placement,language and font is all wrong. zero/10
Nice find!

The editing was done on 12th Feb, at 4:16 pm as per wikipedia. Thats when discussion was going on in this thread. So, chances are high it is someone from this forum itself.

EDIT: Even more interstingly, a post made at 4:20 in this thread citing the same wikipedia article does not have that line!

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