Ford Endeavour Thunder+ 3.0L TDCi launched - Page 2 - Team-BHP

undead · 19th February 2008, 14:04

any changes to the exteriors and the interiors ???

StarScream · 19th February 2008, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Karandeep81

PS - I am not saying that they dont sell abroad, but the west has far and large become aware of the environement issues

But environmental concerns still don't prevent people in the US and Canada from buying huge V6 and V8 SUVs and pick-ups. If you live by a lake, sea or river and like sailing/boating owning one of those big gas-guzzlers is de rigueur. How else are you going to tow your boat to the water? A Civic or Accord won't cut it, I assure you! It's the same with those who like camping. You need powerful vehicles to go up mountains fully loaded up.
My point is: There is a certain type of customer who needs 4x4 traction and extra power. It's criminal for those who don't need it, buying these things to make up for a lack of size elsewhere

. The car companies make vehicles that people want and buy. That vindicates their decision to make them. There has to be a radical shift in lifestyle, especially in the West, if we are going to make any headway in saving the planet.

suman · 19th February 2008, 14:19

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Originally Posted by jkdas

Thats where Chevy wins.

Yes, and then loses out on the 2WD factor

rippergeo · 19th February 2008, 14:50

the captiva is not just 2WD its front wheel drive,

I must have been the most disappointed person in this country when that news broke.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 19th February 2008, 15:11

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Originally Posted by rippergeo

the captiva is not just 2WD its front wheel drive,

Isn't the CR-V front wheel drive too?

2.0 version is FWD only while older 2.4 has FWD with AWD kicking in only when needed!

suman · 19th February 2008, 15:23

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

older 2.4 has FWD with AWD kicking in only when needed!

Which is what the Captiva should have been as well. The new CRV is primarily aimed at the Captiva so they saved themselves a few dollars by not giving the AWD.

The Captiva would have killed the Endeavour in one swift stroke if they'd launched a 4x4 or even AWD

joshdrive · 19th February 2008, 15:33

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Originally Posted by suman

The Captiva would have killed the Endeavour in one swift stroke if they'd launched a 4x4 or even AWD

I think both these cars address different type of customers to some extent. Many who buy Endeavour would have looked at Pajero, Safari kind of full size SUVs and not those softroaders.

normally_crazy · 19th February 2008, 15:33

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Originally Posted by StarScream

Rear: Self adjusting drum

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Originally Posted by asr245

Rear: Self adjusting drum

No discs for rear!!!!! that's quite shocking to me considering the price and the weight of the vehicle!!

Exactly what crossed my mind first !!

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Originally Posted by StarScream

beats the pants off the Captiva no?

NOT FOR ME at least.

Sahil · 19th February 2008, 15:48

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Originally Posted by StarScream

Suspension
Front: Independent double wishbone with torsion bar spring & stabilizer bar
Rear: Progressive linear rate leaf springs with low friction pads

Isn't this the same suspension from it's initial launch in 2004?

asr245 · 19th February 2008, 16:24

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Originally Posted by reignofchaos

Heh it still has those lame leaf springs at the rear. Rather than giving more power, they should first fix the suspension. 18 lacs for a vehicle that runs on leaf springs is unforgiveable.

It has leaf springs!!!!!!!!!! 18 lacs - no rear discs - leaf springs. Hell! what's wrong with safari for roughly 6 lacs less and about 15hp less?

GTO · 19th February 2008, 17:35

I know Ford screens this forum, and really hope that they have sorted out the harsh ride. I repeat, that alone will be enough to have thrice as many Endeavour converts.

Any info on this, Starscream?

reignofchaos · 19th February 2008, 17:37

^^Looks like the suspension is same as before so I doubt if the ride quality would have improved.

BUSA · 19th February 2008, 17:38

I dont know what is Ford Smoking? They need to adress the suspension and the middle row. The CRV and Captiva are ahead where it matters alot, better suspension and better comfort. Cant Ford fix the suspension, the ride is far from being good.

extreme_torque · 19th February 2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by GTO

I know Ford screens this forum, and really hope that they have sorted out the harsh ride. I repeat, that alone will be enough to have thrice as many Endeavour converts.

Any info on this, Starscream?

A leaf spring suspension can only be as good. The way to go about this would be to move to a more sophisticated suspension setup.
For a vehicle cost 20 lakhs + on road, leaf spring suspension at the back isnt good enough.

Torqy · 19th February 2008, 18:10

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Originally Posted by reignofchaos

Heh it still has those lame leaf springs at the rear. Rather than giving more power, they should first fix the suspension. 18 lacs for a vehicle that runs on leaf springs is unforgiveable.

That along with the Rear Drum brakes is a very comforting thought for a Bolero owner.

We are competitors.

-- Torqy

19th February 2008, 14:50	#19 (permalink)
rippergeo BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 777 View My Garage	the captiva is not just 2WD its front wheel drive, I must have been the most disappointed person in this country when that news broke. __________________ Dieselhead DDiS - 19k CRDi VGT- 20k

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GTO Super-Admin Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 12,138 View My Garage	I know Ford screens this forum, and really hope that they have sorted out the harsh ride. I repeat, that alone will be enough to have thrice as many Endeavour converts. Any info on this, Starscream? __________________ GTO Self-imposed limits are the only type that exist. Break them....then, make it a habit. Exceed. Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

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BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,192 View My Garage	I dont know what is Ford Smoking? They need to adress the suspension and the middle row. The CRV and Captiva are ahead where it matters alot, better suspension and better comfort. Cant Ford fix the suspension, the ride is far from being good. __________________ thecarsandmore.blogspot. com

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