Ford Endeavour Thunder+ 3.0L TDCi launched - Page 4 - Team-BHP

srh · 20th February 2008, 23:06

I would buy this if I get it below 11 lakhs. Else who cares if it is 2.5 liter, 3 liter or 4 liter. I don't take my household for weekend outings. This vehicle doesn't have comfort levels compared to similar priced vehicles. The use of this vehicle in Bangalore would be only to scare off other vehicles. But then I can buy a CL series Mahindra for that and put huge bull bars .

rangaraj · 21st February 2008, 06:36

I saw the vehicle yesterday and the interiors i must say are no better than the Safari and given the choice between them, would go with the safari. I have made my thoughts known about the Safari's quality, but never expected Ford to try and get away by palming off such interiors for a 20L vehicle! There were around a dozen metro ford sales guys hanging around the new endy and no customers, whilst the next door Mitsubishi showroom was delivering two Pajeros to customers with a couple of sales persons talking to then..

Ram · 21st February 2008, 07:56

I think there's a mix-up of expectations.

On the one side are ideas like

serious offroading, which goes with long wheel travel,
four-wheel-drive,
grinding low-ratio transfer case for crawling up a very steep rock,
vehicles with boulder-bashing tough suspension that can jump off a two-foot high platform and land without bottoming-out,
lockable differentials,
an interior that can be washed with a pressure-hose without getting water into the gauges,
trailer towing...

On the other side are soft wimpy things like

cross-over design (as street-stuck as a car, yet as clumsy as an SUV),
front-wheel-drive with electronic switchover all-wheel-drive (think Honda CRV),
car-like comfort, air-suspension,
high-speed expressway driving, etc.

In the extreme case, a two-wheel-drive pretender
with graphics, plastic cladding and bumpers and names that allude to toughness.

Then again, we are in 2008 -- the year of the Nano that astounded the global car industry -- when fuel guzzling dinosaurs are relegated to the trash can of Time.

Steeroid · 21st February 2008, 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulk76

Tata seems to be learning very fast from fiat(but 2.2 rules the roost anyday)

Please give them credit where due. The 3.0 engine, the 2.2, the 2.5 petrol and the V6 all began development long before Fiat came into the equation.

But enough of

stuff - lets Endeavour to stay on the topic.

suman · 21st February 2008, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST7677

Finally the right engine for the beast.

I wonder why you say that because the existing "recent" TDCI engine was good enough I thought as far as power was concerned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by narayan

after all who asked for a new 3 lit engine ? when the 2.5 TDCI was fine as far as performance goes..

Exactly my thoughts. They need to address the ride issue real quick & only then will it be a "killer".

hondadude · 21st February 2008, 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangaraj

I saw the vehicle yesterday and the interiors i must say are no better than the Safari and given the choice between them, would go with the safari. I have made my thoughts known about the Safari's quality, but never expected Ford to try and get away by palming off such interiors for a 20L vehicle!

To each his own but I completely disagree with the above. I am a big Safari fan myself but Endeavour fit and finish and interiors are leagues ahead of
Safari.

rippergeo · 21st February 2008, 08:55

the 2.5 litre engine is brilliant. dont see why the put the 3 litre into it. complete waste of money. they could've spent it on the suspension.

Here's wishful thinking

1. they offer an all rounder model with better ride and highway manners
2 they also offer a true off roader version with the current suspension set up and the 3.0 litre/ and 2.5 liter options

but like I said, wishful thinking.

when did ford ever give India a car that the market demanded?
do they even do market research?

narayan · 21st February 2008, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by rippergeo

do they even do market research?

FORD INDIA CFO - dude do u know how expensive market research is ?

FORD INDIA MARKETING HEAD - and adding on - very boring too..does not yield any clear results on top of it ..

FORD INDIA CEO - ok , then lets not waste time. lets launch this truck as such and see what happens. we dont have anything to lose. US markets are anyways scr%W$. so no one will ask us any questions..

joshdrive · 21st February 2008, 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Hehehehe - just wait until the 160 bhp Tata Safari is launched with the upgraded 3.0 Dicor. And this isnt a rumour.

Safari has great fan following and I too love its looks. But Safari and Endeavour are different segment cars.

Steeroid · 21st February 2008, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshdrive

But Safari and Endeavour are different segment cars.

EDIT: Topic is better discussed elsewhere.

shatrughna · 21st February 2008, 09:35

I had test drove 2.5 Hurricane variant. We liked super comfortable seats and silky smooth engine that pulled almost like a car. I could compare it with Accent CRDi . But the clutch pedal travel is too long and that was a bit disappointing as it could prove on long drives in city traffic.
Also, it had no driver seat height adjustment feature available and it seems that even this new variant has no such option. Third seat row is really too low for any use at all except for keeping bags.

vinod_nookala · 21st February 2008, 10:20

This must be a aspirational vehicle and must be damn powerful. I think it is priced well selling in pajero's (old one) bracket. The only place where endevuor will loose out to pajero is rear ride quality. This is a tough vehicle and atleast doesnt pretend to be an offroader....It is a off roader!! They must have given LSD atleast which is std in safari 4wd. Size wise it is the king, now power wise too.

MaserQ · 21st February 2008, 13:01

Right now, the Endy is pound for pound the real SUV in its segment. But when a player that is a segment below does this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Hehehehe - just wait until the 160 bhp Tata Safari is launched with the upgraded 3.0 Dicor. And this isnt a rumour.

Then it would be time for price corrections and maybe even changing strategies and bringing in a soft roader, like this:

Source:Ford Middle East - Edge

navpreet318 · 25th February 2008, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

Heh it still has those lame leaf springs at the rear. Rather than giving more power, they should first fix the suspension. 18 lacs for a vehicle that runs on leaf springs is unforgiveable.

going OT here-

well my friend then you've got the same thinking as me.you are just feeling bad about an 18 lakh suv with leaf spring.

have a look at this,i was left aghast-

any guesses which suv this is?

this was taken at the autoexpo.

i don't know about others but this was my first up close look at this car and i was truely dissapointed after seeing this.

anyone care to shed light on its price in india.

dipen · 25th February 2008, 02:15

thats the H3. No clues about its price. We keep hearing varying prices for this car.

20th February 2008, 23:06	#46 (permalink)
srh BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 114	I would buy this if I get it below 11 lakhs. Else who cares if it is 2.5 liter, 3 liter or 4 liter. I don't take my household for weekend outings. This vehicle doesn't have comfort levels compared to similar priced vehicles. The use of this vehicle in Bangalore would be only to scare off other vehicles. But then I can buy a CL series Mahindra for that and put huge bull bars . __________________ 2009 MUV (Grande/ Safari/ Ingenio) - Planned 2006 Indica Xeta 2006 Ford Ikon Flair - Leased 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer - Leased

21st February 2008, 07:56	#48 (permalink)
Ram Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai, Pune, München Posts: 1,534 View My Garage	I think there's a mix-up of expectations. On the one side are ideas like serious offroading, which goes with long wheel travel, four-wheel-drive, grinding low-ratio transfer case for crawling up a very steep rock, vehicles with boulder-bashing tough suspension that can jump off a two-foot high platform and land without bottoming-out, lockable differentials, an interior that can be washed with a pressure-hose without getting water into the gauges, trailer towing... On the other side are soft wimpy things like cross-over design (as street-stuck as a car, yet as clumsy as an SUV), front-wheel-drive with electronic switchover all-wheel-drive (think Honda CRV), car-like comfort, air-suspension, high-speed expressway driving, etc. In the extreme case, a two-wheel-drive pretender with graphics, plastic cladding and bumpers and names that allude to toughness. Then again, we are in 2008 -- the year of the Nano that astounded the global car industry -- when fuel guzzling dinosaurs are relegated to the trash can of Time. __________________ Before you begin scrambling up the ladder of success, make sure that it is leaning against the right building.

21st February 2008, 08:55	#52 (permalink)
rippergeo BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 780 View My Garage	the 2.5 litre engine is brilliant. dont see why the put the 3 litre into it. complete waste of money. they could've spent it on the suspension. Here's wishful thinking 1. they offer an all rounder model with better ride and highway manners 2 they also offer a true off roader version with the current suspension set up and the 3.0 litre/ and 2.5 liter options but like I said, wishful thinking. when did ford ever give India a car that the market demanded? do they even do market research? __________________ Dieselhead DDiS - 19k CRDi VGT- 20k

21st February 2008, 10:20	#57 (permalink)
vinod_nookala BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: chennai Posts: 150 View My Garage	This must be a aspirational vehicle and must be damn powerful. I think it is priced well selling in pajero's (old one) bracket. The only place where endevuor will loose out to pajero is rear ride quality. This is a tough vehicle and atleast doesnt pretend to be an offroader....It is a off roader!! They must have given LSD atleast which is std in safari 4wd. Size wise it is the king, now power wise too. __________________ Go anywhere do anything!

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21st February 2008, 06:36	#47 (permalink)
rangaraj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 452	I saw the vehicle yesterday and the interiors i must say are no better than the Safari and given the choice between them, would go with the safari. I have made my thoughts known about the Safari's quality, but never expected Ford to try and get away by palming off such interiors for a 20L vehicle! There were around a dozen metro ford sales guys hanging around the new endy and no customers, whilst the next door Mitsubishi showroom was delivering two Pajeros to customers with a couple of sales persons talking to then..

21st February 2008, 09:35	#56 (permalink)
shatrughna BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mumbai,DXB Posts: 392	I had test drove 2.5 Hurricane variant. We liked super comfortable seats and silky smooth engine that pulled almost like a car. I could compare it with Accent CRDi . But the clutch pedal travel is too long and that was a bit disappointing as it could prove on long drives in city traffic. Also, it had no driver seat height adjustment feature available and it seems that even this new variant has no such option. Third seat row is really too low for any use at all except for keeping bags.

25th February 2008, 02:15	#60 (permalink)
dipen Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,076	thats the H3. No clues about its price. We keep hearing varying prices for this car.