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Maruti Swift 1.3 DDis 159 29.23%
Fiat Palio 1.3 JTD 192 35.29%
Hyundai Getz 1.5Crdi 91 16.73%
Tata Indica Dicor 30 5.51%
Palio Stile 1.6 72 13.24%
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Old 14th March 2008, 11:50   #181
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Anybody got any clues about the colours available. Hope FIAT comes out with some dashing colours as they normally did. Or have they changed in that department too?
Sorry to disappoint you but Stile Multijet only comes in 5 colours: black, pearl white, magnesium grey, red and indigo blue. The last two should interest you.
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One question - If the source of both engines is the same, how/why is Palio's torque rating lower than that of the Swift? What possible advantage could that provide?
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One question - If the source of both engines is the same, how/why is Palio's torque rating lower than that of the Swift? What possible advantage could that provide?
AFAIK, the engine *designs* are the same. They are not manufactured in the same plant. The torque might have been reduced to get better FE.


I remember reading Swift owners wishing for a 6th gear because of the high torque they feel even in 5th gear.A reduction of 6Nm (<3.2%) is not going to make any substantial difference to the performance. Much heavier, bigger engined vehicles have lower torque and give good pull off the block.
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Ram is that something you 'Assumed' or you have a strong source to prove it authentic?

I have friends at TATA, Kochi who did a VERY VERY Serious ROFL hearing this
Ram is with Maruti Suzuki -- so u can understand where his statements are coming from
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I remember reading Swift owners wishing for a 6th gear because of the high torque they feel even in 5th gear.A reduction of 6Nm (<3.2%) is not going to make any substantial difference to the performance. Much heavier, bigger engined vehicles have lower torque and give good pull off the block.
Is it true that less torque could lead to more mileage? Any technical experts.
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Well just though of bringing in some Indica DiCOR Facts.

Indica DiCOR
- 1396 cc DICOR (Direct Injection Common Rail) 16 valve engine with dual overhead camshafts with 32 bit microprocessor
- Max Power :70 PS @ 4000 rpm
- Max Torque:140 Nm @ 1800 - 3000 rpm
- Front Power Windows
- No Tubeless tYRES
- No rear Wash/wipe. The Good part is you get a deffogger.
- More Engine noise and less refined.
- No Alloys or ABS option


But this all comes at a Price Tag of Rs.4,11,743 (Delhi)!!! Thats almost 50K less than the Palio version with only front power windows. Plus it comes with a TATA tag which means that maintainence costs should be low unless you are stuck with a lemon due to their unique quality checks. The Dealership owner here claims to have got to run 100km with just 3.5 litres of diesel!!!! Even if practically we dont do mileage runs i guess the F.E part should be higher than both swift and palio by atleast a small margin.

Now 50K means a lot of money to most of the <5L car buyers. How many would decide to spend that much more for the FIAT tag. And another question that comes up is if he is willing to pay that much extra wot he eventually decide to pay another 20K extra and settle for the Maruti Tag.

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Is it true that less torque could lead to more mileage? Any technical experts.
I mean on a same engine. If one version has less torque and another has more torque at same rpm levels. Which engine would technically give more mileage.

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@all... Why such fuss about the torque figures? Companies here use PS and BHP interchangeably at times, Maruti would have round it off and said 190 nm!
Chillax... 6 nm wont make a difference at all, besides no one's gonna approve if maruti or fiat's claimed figures are right or not.
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Now 50K means a lot of money to most of the <5L car buyers. How many would decide to spend that much more for the FIAT tag. And another question that comes up is if he is willing to pay that much extra wot he eventually decide to pay another 20K extra and settle for the Maruti Tag.
I for one would. No doubt 50k is a good amount of money but if you take the overall picture it is 10% of the total value and if you want a good quality car with good workmanship and performance that isn't expensive at all.

Just back from Manipal Motors, the guy didn't show much enthusiasm when I inquired about the new Palio and said they would get the TD car tomorrow. What salesmen, a classic example of non-performing assets for a business, huh. But the available colours are Furnace Red, Ozone Blue, Marble White, Carbon Black, Magnesium Grey.
There was a Magnesium grey Palio stile 1.6 which looked a beauty with the OTR tag of 4,34,000. "Isn't that a great deal?- I kept thinking on the way if we just don't bother much about the FE. The Palio MJD SDE and SDX modelsprices are 5,29,000 and 5,50,000 respectively. A cool 1,00,000 above the 1.6 and with not all features of 1.6 too.
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higher torque at lower rpm's should give better FE
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Thomas, that was a really good. I would request the BHPians to highlight the comparison with Palio Stile 1.6 Sport. (feeling a little jealous, brought 1.6 Sport last December, should have waited a little more.. )..
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There was a Magnesium grey Palio stile 1.6 which looked a beauty with the OTR tag of 4,34,000. "Isn't that a great deal?- I kept thinking on the way if we just don't bother much about the FE. The Palio MJD SDE and SDX modelsprices are 5,29,000 and 5,50,000 respectively. A cool 1,00,000 above the 1.6 and with not all features of 1.6 too.
Zaks, is the OTR of 1.6 INR 4,34,000 only? Are you sure?
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Just test drive the multijet from Manipal motors, Bangalore. I felt the real diesel feel. Awesome engine.

Some negatives:

Gear switching was a bit hard (2nd gear)

No space between clutch and foot rest.
My foot got stuck there many times.
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@zaks and @gemimthomas - 50K difference on OTR price means 250 to 500 difference per EMI. Is that a serious difference?
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The Dealership owner here claims to have got to run 100km with just 3.5 litres of diesel!!!! Even if practically we dont do mileage runs i guess the F.E part should be higher than both swift and palio by atleast a small margin.
That looks amazing but bit unbelievable

Indica Turbo of my friend manages max 18 on highway and 15 in City and this is max usual figures are 17 and 14 so can Dicor make such a difference that it increases figures to 20+ and 17+
If its true than I will happily Buy Dicor at that price
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