Palio Stile Multijet Vs. Swift DDiS Vs. PalioStile1.6 Vs. Indica DiCOR Vs. Getz CRDi

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by speedzak

I don't think so. Tata will be forced to back all the Indica's with spares, service and maintenance for another 10 years atleast.

Its lucrative enough considering the number of Indica's already on roads and the amount of spares they need.... forced is not the right word.

[abhinav.s]

[quote=GenuineOptimist;826165
I'm planning to keep the Indica turbo dlx for 4 years/50,000kms maximum. Will problems surface within this time period?
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I dont know about the turbo dlx but I have been using an Indica DLG 2005 model for the past 42000 Kms/3 years. I have only faced some punctures and the starter had to be serviced once which cost me 300 bucks. I did not get it done in the showroom though. I have a guy near my house who specialises in Tata Diesel cars. Apart from this the only niggling problem that i have faced almost eveytime i take it on a long drive on bad roads, is the passenger side power window goes conk & the glass fall down. I have to get it re-fixed. It costs me only 30-50 bucks each time based on whether the part associated is bust or not. But the problem it takes 20 mins to get the entire thing done. These are the only problems that I have faced till now. Might help you decide on the Indica if you are keen to go for it.

[GenuineOptimist]

Originally Posted by abhinav.s

I did not get it done in the showroom though. I have a guy near my house who specialises in Tata Diesel cars.

Apart from this the only niggling problem that i have faced almost eveytime i take it on a long drive on bad roads, is the passenger side power window goes conk & the glass fall down.

Thanks abhinav. Is there any particular reason not to goto the showroom. And the *guy* near your house, is he a Tata authorized serviced center? I am asking this because your car will still be covered under warranty if its only 3 years, isn't it?

And when you go on long-drives, how does your body take it? Is it very tiring because of average handling, big steering, long acc/brake/clutch pedals etc? I've gone on 8-10 hrs a day drive in my 800 and it becomes really tiring because of the leg position, seating and my tall frame that doesn't fit into the car..

For the money that Indica saves initially, I understand these are minor problems that one can live with.. however since the model that I'm considering is 5.4 lakhs, I am worried if this would depreciate much faster than a mid/low end Indica..

[TeddyBear]

[quote=Gautam Misra;825962
(b) TATA is not known for great A.S.S
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Fiat A.S.S is better than TATA?

[quote=Gautam Misra;825962
(d) If you want to keep the car for long you may have maintainence issues with the INDICA turbojet.
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Team- bhp long term ownership review doesnt say so!
Engines with Common Rail Systems are more vulnerable to the adultrated diesel than the Turbo diesel engines.

[Gautam Misra]

@genuine optimist:
If you are willing to take some tension and some pains you may consider buying SWIFT D or DZIRE from other smaller states;go for a temporary permit and take it to Bangalore.Atleast in Orissa I know for sure that the SWIFT D is readily available and that too with 2/3 colour options.The waiting period is not so long in case you book a car.

[svsantosh]

Originally Posted by TeddyBear

Engines with Common Rail Systems are more vulnerable to the adultrated diesel than the Turbo diesel engines.

Great point Teddy, I am planning to go in for the CS Dicor. Which fuel is recomended by TATA. Is it the high speed, or the regular?

[greenhorn]

regular + Iftex system D

The fuel filtration system for the DiCOR described in the manual of my turbo seems to be a bit more complex than mine.

[abhinav.s]

Originally Posted by GenuineOptimist

Thanks abhinav. Is there any particular reason not to goto the showroom. And the *guy* near your house, is he a Tata authorized serviced center? I am asking this because your car will still be covered under warranty if its only 3 years, isn't it?

Well I had been to Concorde motors. They inspected the window and did not even open the side panel to inspect where the glass has fallen or come off. The guy just quoted a price of Rs. 3000/- which was horrible. Thats when my dad's friend recomended this guy. Since you are from Bangalore you might have noticed many Indica's flouting the sticker RAAM Cool Cars on their rear glass.
This guy is not an authorized guy though. He was working for Prerena motors and then started his own set up called Raam Cool Cars near IIM-B Bannerghatta Road. Does a good job and does not charge the skies when it comes to minor repairs.
My mom once dented the boot door just below the glass while reversing in a parking lot. The same concorde guys quoted Rs. 10,000/- saying they will replace the boot door and we have to pay extra 2000 for the glass since they wont gurantee that it will not break. But this guy said it will cost 2000 for tinkering and painting and if the glass breaks we have to bear an additional 750 bucks. He did such a nice job without breaking the glass that it was hard to tell whether there was dent in that place or not. After this experience, we stopped going to the showroom guys and became a regular at this guy.

And when you go on long-drives, how does your body take it? Is it very tiring because of average handling, big steering, long acc/brake/clutch pedals etc? I've gone on 8-10 hrs a day drive in my 800 and it becomes really tiring because of the leg position, seating and my tall frame that doesn't fit into the car..

I was a using a Santro LE 2002 model. I have been on 500 kms at a stretch drive in Santro. And i have gone on a 600 kms non stop drive in the Indica. Believe me all the passengers in the car including me (driving the car) felt we had only travelled around 150-200 kms. Since I have size 10 feet, i can heel-toe the acc/brake/clutch easily though footwell is very big. Steering is big I agree but since it is a HPS, you will not feel the strain that very much. But you cannot point and shoot the car like the Fiesta. you have to have lot of gauging and aniticipation when driving.

For the money that Indica saves initially, I understand these are minor problems that one can live with.. however since the model that I'm considering is 5.4 lakhs, I am worried if this would depreciate much faster than a mid/low end Indica..

Depreciation is always a factor to be considered when buying a car. but what you say is true. Since you are going in for a 5.4 lakhs car, depreciation might be a bit on the higher side. When i got the DLG in 2005, it was 4.74 on road. When i enquire about the price offered for my car, i got a best quote of 3 lakhs from a used car dealer. So if the dealer is offering so much, i can expect another 20-30k more from a direct customer if i am in the market to sell the car. But i am happy to use this as a second car at home since there are 3 people who know driving in the house. And its light on the pocket as well what with 15 kms in the city irrespective of how I drive and how much of traffic. But none of us use AC full time in the city. And a highway mileage of 18-19 with AC on all time. Which i feel is pretty good for a diesel car.

[mtnrajdeep]

Originally Posted by svsantosh

Great point Teddy, I am planning to go in for the CS Dicor. Which fuel is recomended by TATA. Is it the high speed, or the regular?

Does the CS have a dicor engine? I thought it was available only with the NA diesel!

[wanderlustindia]

Originally Posted by mtnrajdeep

Does the CS have a dicor engine? I thought it was available only with the NA diesel!

Tata have recently plonked the Dicor engine in the CS. This was done without any formal announcement and there is a significant price hike on the Dicor version than the TDI version. 45-50k I think.

[svsantosh]

Originally Posted by mtnrajdeep

Does the CS have a dicor engine? I thought it was available only with the NA diesel!

Hello Raj, Yes, Indigo CS Dicor has been there for the last 2-3weeks, OTR Concorde Bangalore is 5.63, No offers of any sort. Waiting is around 2-3 weeks currently. I am going to book one as soon I get the money from MyTvs, the guys who took back my Alto.

[GenuineOptimist]

you have to have lot of gauging and aniticipation when driving.

@abhinav.s: Can you kindly clarify what you mean by this statement?

I did a test drive of Indica V2 turbo yesterday. Initial feeling for both me and my wife was not of great liking for the car.

Ergonomics.. I really felt the footwell was too deep.. esp the accelerator pedal, although I'm tall and have long feet (size 10) I found my accelerator toe was aching after driving for 45 minutes.. Do people feel this usually or was it anything wrong with the way I was positioning my foot on the pedal? I had a M-800 and was driving everyday for 2 years till about last week. Here in Indica, the bonnet is not visible from the seat. So some amount of guesswork was required in bumper to bumper traffic.. Gear throws were longer and made me uncomfortable

Engine.. when does the turbo normally kick-in? I felt the power surge much later than 2k RPM, somewhere close to 3k.. Is this usual or was something wrong with the TD car? Speedometer wasn't working as usual of TD cars..

Interiors.. this is a sore point. It doesn't look attractive at all, what with the dull grey-black dual tone.. and every single tata car from the Indicab to Indigo marina comes with the same color interiors..

Electricals.. lots of features here in the DLX model that I am considering.. but the power window switches were placed next to the gear shaft box, unlike in other cars where its on the doors..

Boot.. we found the finish of the boot really bad. the plastic cover inside the hatch was falling all over the place and sales guy said it anyway has to be replaced with a wooden plonk if you are going for back speakers, so why bother about it.. on the other hand the fiat palio mjd boot cover (not the hatch, but the inside flat cover for the boot once the hatch is opened) had an excellent finish..

So this morning I started re-evaluating Swift VDI(ABS) and GetZ(CRDI) ready to compromise on Airbags.. But the waiting period for swift is 3-4 months for VDI.. Should I compromise on the above factors and decide on Indica DLX? Will these factors fade away once I purchase the car? Kindly help!!

[greenhorn]

@ optimist, try the dicor

[Zappo]

Aah! The dilemmas of a dithering mind... I will tell you something. And this from my long experience with Tatas. They are grossly underestated and vastly over-sermonized for their build quality etc.

Without getting into the details I can tell you that I have had enough confidence in Tata cars to do over 900 kms in a day many times without break, in the hot searing summers of this country. These cars never failed me. Gear shifter is no where near 10% as bad as people make it sound.

In short, without stretching the point, I would say for a lakh or more of saving from its nearest competitor in the class they are just superb. Of course a car that costs a couple of lakhs more may have some more razzmatazz, glitz etc. At the end of the day the Turbo Indica is a superb workhorse that powers a good punch that goes unstated most often.

[GenuineOptimist]

Originally Posted by greenhorn

@ optimist, try the dicor

There is no airbags + abs option in the dicor.. and the concorde guys say it will not be launched because of cannibalization of DLX.