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View Poll Results: When is Fiat India going to shut down?
2005 : They cant survive any longer. 22 9.05%
2006 25 10.29%
2007 or in the whereabouts. 21 8.64%
I dont agree. Fiat India is here to stay - They will pull off a miracle. 175 72.02%
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Old 5th February 2005, 13:42   #16
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we all knew that this was to happen .still there were tbhpians among us who always said"buy petra,buy palio".and we all know most of these have never bought one.
now what do you say about those people ,who looked upto t-bhp for buying cars with their hard earned money and ended up buying a palio or a petra..all this than x to some very knowledgable persons pn board.

some things are really strange
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SpeedSatya,

1. You can recommend a car at the time, but you dont know whats going to happen to the company a little while down the line. If Honda goes bankrupt two years down the line, are you going to point fingers to all those who recommended Accords and Citys? I agree that the case with Fiat India has always been doubtful, but only recent releases have weakened the case and brought out the grim reality for Fiat.

2. Team-BHP is the first Indian resource to publicly come out with the possibility of Fiat India shutting down its Indian operations. Most auto magazines have either not mentioned it at all, or are yet recommending their cars.

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Well, I tend to agree that t-bhp posts indeed tend to influence one's opinions, but at the end of the day, it was based on specs, buyer's experience with the product and price. Not too many were focussed on the long term ownership aspects..but when one is dishing out 5.5 lakhs which is no easy sum in india, one is expected to do one's research..caveat emptor still applies!
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Satya, all recommendations were done on the basis of the CAR and what the CAR has to offer. Everyone who recommended the car also stated that its resale value would always be low and its service was always gonna be lousy.

The Palio, as a car alone, is still one of the best hatchbacks in the market. That will not change. At the time most of us t-bhpians, and industry big shots, thought that Fiat was making changes in its management, and would bounce back. Read magazine reports from a few months ago.

They still may bounce back. It just may be that they are making major changes in the management, hence things may be a bit quiet at the moment. We'll only know in a few months.

Remember, hindsight is always 20:20.
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Last I checked, there were healthy discounts available throughout the Octavia range
ACI says that Skoda has pulled out all discounts on it's range of cars though dealers are giving about 45K.
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Comm'on why are u doing all these.Fiat may have lost another 100 customers reading all this.Let them stay guys.Why do u want to shut them now itself.its nothing like u dont get spare or spares are less than before of their dealers are selling cars at huge discounts.Everything is normal except for the sales(they have been same for 2 years or more now) and the website.see now that website is offline which means thy have seen that problem.


You all blame the mannagement but it is not always easy for a new person to get u out from deep waters in which u have been pushed by another.maybe Henry ford could have helped.

Do u guys know what put option is.if u dont then dont talk.
it is like this fiat and GM had tied an aggrement that GM will have to buy remaing Fiat Auto SPA in --- years if Fiat SPA wants to sell its remaing stake of 80% in Fiat Auto SPA.the aggrement says that GM has to buy rest of Fiat auto at the share price that were in effect when the aggrement took place.Now the share prices of Fiat auto are less than then hence GM is unwilling.So Fiat and GM are in a talk so that GM pays Fiat a "Fine"(--- billion $) so that Fiat does not execute the PUT option which make Gm buy them at a higher value that what it is today.Fiat have already extended the PUT options validity by a year to Feb 2005 and still not willing to make use of the option idf GM pays them a reasonable Fine.Thats it.It is not that GM wants to buy fiat or Fiat wants to sell it Auto group at any cost.

and dont say why GM have pay higher.they agreed to it earlier.I just wish
Diamler Chrysler AG buy whole of Fiat auto.see where it will be in 3 years time.
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Diamler Chrysler AG buy whole of Fiat auto.see where it will be in 3 years time.
Doubt it, the Chrysler deal cost too much for DB and bled them, only now with the 300 hemi's are they seeing some turnaround. Ford are crying after taking over Jaguar. Only Renault/ Nissan have really done well out of takeovers
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http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...469511,00.html

Interesting article - Car companies do not have an automatic right to exisit
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Everything is normal except for the sales(they have been same for 2 years or more now) and the website.see now that website is offline which means thy have seen that problem.
Exactly my point!! Despite being down in the doldrums, Fiat India has done NOTHING for two whole years. And about the website, its typically Fiat again. They have seen the problem. Question is, what are they doing about it?

Fiat India deserves to die

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Mercedes Benz did bring out Chrysler out of the red.did it not.its just a opinion that they buy fiat.i know it is unlikely.
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guys,
we all knew that this was to happen .still there were tbhpians among us who always said"buy petra,buy palio".and we all know most of these have never bought one.
now what do you say about those people ,who looked upto t-bhp for buying cars with their hard earned money and ended up buying a palio or a petra..all this than x to some very knowledgable persons pn board.

some things are really strange
I don't think people regret so much after buying an excellent car(palio or a petra). At least I am not.
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guys,
we all knew that this was to happen .still there were tbhpians among us who always said"buy petra,buy palio".and we all know most of these have never bought one.
now what do you say about those people ,who looked upto t-bhp for buying cars with their hard earned money and ended up buying a palio or a petra..all this than x to some very knowledgable persons pn board.

some things are really strange
Satya, I was one of the T-BHPians who advocated Petra and I am also the one who eventually bought it. If Fiat closes its shop tomorrow, I don't care as long as my car moves on smoothly, when I crank the engine and shift gears I will be sad that it would be a marketing failure of Fiat, than failure to provide good quality cars.

I will blame anyone, only if one talks about car and at the same time, hides information about company's future. I do not think it was ever the case of T-BHP.
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Fiat-India can spring back of the turmoil..they have good quality cars. I felt some of us in tbhp are reading bit too much out of the GM-Fiat saga. There seems to be double standard, Pre-Indica days Tata was in losses & Indica came (irrespective of inconsistent quality) worked for them. Today Tata is making good profits.. (mind well ..there service is probably as good or bad as FIAL).

I still feel .. a good platform/launch ..and Fiat will be back with bang..
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I still feel .. a good platform/launch ..and Fiat will be back with bang..
I surely hope so. And with that bang, i hope it comes with a new management as well.

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I still feel .. a good platform/launch ..and Fiat will be back with bang..
Umm, they already have the BEST platform in the hatchback / entry level sedan segment. And they cant even sell it at the price of peanuts (Petra for 5 lacs is a steal!)

This is not about double standards...its just about common sense in reading whats written on the wall. No sales, no profits, bleeding parent, no management, no dealerships...even no website?

People may have had doubts on the Indica, but not on Tata. Do you think one of Indias largest industrial houses would desert India?

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