Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 27th April 2008, 00:31   #16
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Gujarat 03
Posts: 1,302
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by V-16 View Post
Such cars will have just one key (the original would have between 3 to 5 keys) The music system would generally have been changed (due to the non availability of the code) and it would have been repainted.
Also expect the car to have the odometer tampered with.
True, Some of these cars dont have original keys, music system and vin plate Afaik.
Mugen_Power is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th April 2008, 15:35   #17
v12
Distinguished - BHPian
 
v12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 5,880
Thanked: 3,266 Times
Default

Most of the Landcruisers, Mercs (imported ones) you see on our roads are ones which have been imported through jhol. In most cases, the owners dont even know that the cars has been illegally imported. But in many cases, they are well aware of the fact. How can an owner who has imported a brand new 2007 SL55 allow his car to run on 1995 registration. How can a brand new SLK200 run on the same registration as that of a Merc E240 (both belonging to the same owner)??

Given the reputation of various dealers in Mumbai, its difficult for a prospective owner not to go through the dealers credentials. Anyways, I dont think Choksi will be in for long. There are a lot of big people (politicians, filmstars etc) involved in this scam so it wouldnt be too long before he is out and imports another exotic..... and we would always be on the lookout for them, right? no matter how they're imported
v12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th April 2008, 19:20   #18
Team-BHP Support
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 11,889
Thanked: 9,718 Times
Default

Hmmm, we were talking about fraud, now it has switched to economics and import tariffs - lets get back on track,

You will note that Upaj and Chocksi had a monopoly, now we have a lot of new kids o n the block.

BTW, all the DRI need to do is review the HR18 regs!
ajmat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th April 2008, 19:41   #19
Distinguished - BHPian
 
FlyingSpur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 3,937
Thanked: 1,331 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajmat View Post
BTW, all the DRI need to do is review the HR18 regs!
Absolutely, ajmat!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajay99 View Post
Regarding roads INDIA is a country with lot of poor people and for them FOOD, WATER, Shelter are the first priority,NOT 5 star roads !!!!
Strange then, dont you think Ajay? ...that neither do us petrolheads get our cars/roads, nor do the deprived get their necessities. Cultural differences between two countries has got nothing to do with Choksi's arrest or this thread, or for that matter even the deviated topic of discussion i.e. import duties. Can we all stop trying to be all patriotic every time we find a window of opportunity to do so? And discuss exactly what's meant to be discussed in this thread?

Last edited by FlyingSpur : 27th April 2008 at 19:44.
FlyingSpur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 01:21   #20
Senior - BHPian
 
v1p3r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: BLR - chasing cars...
Posts: 4,836
Thanked: 26 Times
Default

I was hoping for some major gossip, and pics of imported beauties, and of other beauties too, like Sush.

Instead, I'm getting a crash course on protectionism, free-market trade theories, and a lot of other useless things. STOP THE MADNESS!
v1p3r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 02:13   #21
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: London
Posts: 5,012
Thanked: 147 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jesal View Post
im out of this thread too many people and their love for this country fail to see that their protection and ignorance is driving the country itself no where. i dont want bmw to be a prestige brand i want it standing like a normal car. is bmw 3 series prestige anywhere else in the world no so then why india. is it some ubercool country that deserves it. forget this argument goes no where in the end people will go like if u do not like the country leave it but that is the lamest one i have heard.
Did you know, That in england, in 2007 there were more 3series BMW's sold than Ford Mondeos??? (source-Top gear)

Jesal buddy, our time will come too. In the mean time lets have some pictures of the "Famous" Choksi's cars please.. Shall we...
Cyrus43 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 08:54   #22
Team-BHP Support
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 11,889
Thanked: 9,718 Times
Default

Cleaned up thread - focus on Fraudulent Foreign Car here please
ajmat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 11:06   #23
Senior - BHPian
 
jesal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 2,322
Thanked: 5 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTA View Post
Did you know, That in england, in 2007 there were more 3series BMW's sold than Ford Mondeos??? (source-Top gear)

Jesal buddy, our time will come too. In the mean time lets have some pictures of the "Famous" Choksi's cars please.. Shall we...
thts good to know bmw sells more. in india none sell more at all. and im not waiting till india suceeds i cant be bothered even. in hope is waste of time in this place. so is choksi not out yet on bail, come on money unders table not spent here, indian cops are not so nice to do their jobs well
jesal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 12:15   #24
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,729
Thanked: 89,203 Times
Default

Everything said and done, the grey market will always exist. It will run parallel even if an authorised dealership is offering the same very car. Why? Not because of the price premium of the authorised dealership, but because of *black* money!
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 13:09   #25
Team-BHP Support
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 11,889
Thanked: 9,718 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
, the grey market will always exist. It will run parallel ...................., but because of *black* money!
In addition

1: Beating official importer quota's and high margins
2: There are always the odd supercar in stock abroad and costing the dealer money, a quick turnaround to a grey channel give liquidity
3: A lot of Ferrari's are bought for resale speculation, the importer cannot indulge in this so the grey market becomes the channel
4: Official guy has to deal with all govt bodies in black and white (most of the time), for the grey imported it is always, er um grey!
ajmat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2008, 13:31   #26
BHPian
 
SohailPistawala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 431
Thanked: 20 Times
Default

OFF topic: so many talks about the white and the Black and the Grey market!! it reminds me of the Song from the movie Company : sab Ghandha Hai par dhandha Hai yeah.
SohailPistawala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th April 2008, 15:18   #27
Senior - BHPian
 
veyron1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 1,426
Thanked: 37 Times
Default

There's a reason why the grey market exists, like everyone else has so clearly pointed out.

When the R1 was expected to be launched, everyone feared for the "grey market dent-effect". But with the official prices commanding a premium of over 3 lac rupees, the grey market still flourishes on.

Call me the Devil's advocate, but since we all know of the legality (or the lack thereof) of the import-practices going around, isn't it fair that guys like Mr.C exist, so that some poor felllow can finally get his hands on the import of his dreams....

The "poor fellow" in question could be a hard-working enthusiast, who would never be able to get his hands on a brand new import with the paltry sum that he makes every month, but has dreamt of owning car "x", "y", or "z", irrespective of it's condition...new, or used....

Thanks to Mr. C & his likes, many used imports (pre-owned by the same politicos & film stars in question) lie around for prices that would fetch another boring Santro.

There are twice as many imports lying around in Delhi than anywhere else. But we don't see that many arrests & DRI raids there now, do we?

Just pondering over both sides of the proverbial coin, IMHO....
veyron1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th April 2008, 15:23   #28
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,729
Thanked: 89,203 Times
Default

Of course they should exist, Veyron else we wouldn't have 10% of the exotics on Indian roads today. However, what we insist on is that the paperwork is clean and the car legal. This is not what happened in Sens case.
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2008, 02:37   #29
BHPian
 
Anupam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pune - India
Posts: 259
Thanked: 37 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi View Post
I did also read today that she paid Rs. 4 lacs as official duty on the car. What is the % of import duty on foreign cars now?
180% of the invoice value, which is subject to physical evaluation/verification, under-valuation is rampant, if you do manage to convince/justify (from the document viewpoint) to the inspector that the car is old then probably then you are through..unless there is someone who wants to take your case and xpose you.

Last edited by Rehaan : 31st July 2008 at 04:59. Reason: Post edited. Please use full words (u = you, r = are) as per the Team-BHP rules SMS language is not allowed.
Anupam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th December 2008, 10:28   #30
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,729
Thanked: 89,203 Times
Default

Choksi arrested yet again! I read in the Times this morning that he was arrested alongwith another dealer who was in charge of the "jhol" financial transactions. This has got to deter shady dealers from cheating imported car customers.

P.S. : Choksi is also the owner of the Skoda authorised dealership - AutoBahn.
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dealer arrested for selling the Swift & Dzire without booking, at a "black" premium aroop Indian Car Dealerships 2 31st January 2013 17:34
Mercedes Nailed to Roof in Moscow hskhan The International Automotive Scene 21 12th January 2008 02:30
Got nailed! suman Street Experiences 74 12th June 2007 16:26


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 17:51.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks