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Old 9th May 2008, 16:45   #16
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Let us all ban private vehicles.
And use only public transport.
And the public transport will come with speed governors.
And there would be no accidents any further
And the world would be a better and peaceful place.
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Our beloved Govt should first start Enforcing the existing rules. Maybe if they do that, there wont be any need of Implementing new rules.

If they seriously start regulating & enforcing rules like
  • Lane discipline
  • Signaling
  • Usage of Hi-Beam headlights in the city
  • DUI (with proper breadth analysers and legal limits)
  • Pollution (half the trucks and Govt buses will get off the streets )
most of the problems will cease to exist.
Yes excatly, first of all they should check what the RTO's are upto. No rule is folllowed there. This will solve 10 % of our problems. I would like to put the lights front like this " proerly using lights". And DUI along with pollution is the nice thing to be ridigly implemented on Government vehilcles. But then to get new ones, they will agian pass some law and do a hell lot of corruption to make money for new vehicles.

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This is just to help selling the remaining units the company produced
So, 100KMPH on a express way will make sure that no accidents are happening?
Possibly they are mistaken with rash driving with over speeding.
Government is really mistaked for rash driving and overspeeding.

Get the road conditions proper, get proper rto service and 20% of our problems willl cease.
The rest is in the person behind the wheel. If the thinking level of people behind the wheel gets more positive and disciplined, rest 80 % of our problems will be solved.
This rule is just gong to increase trouble and mostly ( and must be ) these device will be taken off . Getting speed limits on roads is the right of government if and only if it gets every other thing correct. Give us only a few number of expresshighways and that too drive at 100kmph?
Even the expresshighways have being built with 120kmph max speed design.
Already the fuel costs are so high that people wont love to crosss 120 or lets say 130kmph mark. Yes they do cross that limit, implementing this type of rules is really non sense.
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Old 9th May 2008, 16:45   #18
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^ But, I am not interested in being such a "communist" place.
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i think this is plain nonsense.
let them start regulating the existing rules.

i daily face issue in the city with people using high beams, lane cutting etc etc
why dont the government enforce some action on these.....
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This is either some journo's imagination going wild or some buerocrat out there trying to make quick money (like someone already did via BRT). This solution wont work. Either people will disable the governors or get speed changed. Our cops will take 20 bucks and hoodwink such folks.

Workable solution to improve traffic conditions are
- clean up the RTO's, remove corruption and make sure licenses are given after proper driving tests
- instead of 20 year license, only give 5 year licenses and driver has to come back and reappear for the test.
- embed some kind of chip in every vehicle that will disable the car once its registration expires. also have some kind of communication mechanism embedded in vehicle that can communicate with the nearest RTO. This way RTO can disable any car with a traffic violation, stolen or was involved in crime.
- install speedometers (like used to measure speed of cricket ball) on major roads that can check vehicles speed and report any speeding vehicles to RTO.

Ofcourse this is going to be expensive and needs to be implemented across the coutry together. But this is the price we need to pay to clean up our roads.
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Old 9th May 2008, 19:13   #21
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What many kids need is "brain" governors. The nut behind the wheel causes more accidents than a free revving engine.
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This is either some journo's imagination going wild or some buerocrat out there trying to make quick money (like someone already did via BRT). This solution wont work. Either people will disable the governors or get speed changed. Our cops will take 20 bucks and hoodwink such folks.

Workable solution to improve traffic conditions are
- clean up the RTO's, remove corruption and make sure licenses are given after proper driving tests
- instead of 20 year license, only give 5 year licenses and driver has to come back and reappear for the test.
- embed some kind of chip in every vehicle that will disable the car once its registration expires. also have some kind of communication mechanism embedded in vehicle that can communicate with the nearest RTO. This way RTO can disable any car with a traffic violation, stolen or was involved in crime.
- install speedometers (like used to measure speed of cricket ball) on major roads that can check vehicles speed and report any speeding vehicles to RTO.

Ofcourse this is going to be expensive and needs to be implemented across the coutry together. But this is the price we need to pay to clean up our roads.
The corruption is so much that adding "Chip" will give rise to more troubles. We dont have enough good high thinking.
Also cleaning up the RTO mess, its like cleaning up the parliamen.



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What many kids need is "brain" governors. The nut behind the wheel causes more accidents than a free revving engine.
Excatly, its about the driver behind the wheel that is most of the times responsible. We need to act there and not implementing this speed limiter sort of stuff.
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Old 9th May 2008, 20:34   #23
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Its very surprising, that people feel that its speed that causes accidents. Mostly its lack of awareness that does not let people judge the instant where someone is getting into a zone of overspeeding.

Even 40kmph can be overspeeding depending on conditions. In some cases even 160kmph might not be an issue. But that depends on the ability to judge. Which comes from driver training/awareness, which, in a nation where licenses are procured sometimes even without visiting the RTO office (let alone a driving test), looks like a far fetched dream. Hence people come up with these duds.
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Old 9th May 2008, 22:08   #24
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There is a difference between:-

a. Rash driving
b. Overspeeding
c. Speeding

a is a very subjective thing, unless results / consequences follow. b is relatively easy to identify - it istravelling above allowed speed limits. c. is plain indeterminate. Is driving at 10KMPH speeding? And if traffic around is crawling at 5kmph, what exactly are you doing? Speeding? or overspeeeding?

And when traffic around is going at 100KMPH, it is simply unsafe to drive at 40KMPH. A speed governorwill not help here.

<joke>BTW, when I heard of them for first time, I thought "speed governors" are the guys / gals who live in Raj Bhavans and go around in high speed vehicles. </joke>
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Oh don't worry chaps, it's not a problem. I'm willing to bet that if this does get implemented then the way around this will be out int he market before the limiters are!!

Anyone remember when the Govt. very proudly touted that the new Digital meters in Delhi's Autos/Taxis cannot be tampered with? We all know what happened to that claim!!
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The speed governors thingie will never work. The Govt cannot enforce people to use it in personal cars and even if they do they dont have a way of checking if its functioning or not. And if i can go at 100 kmph on the expressway, i surely can drive at the same speed in narrower roads as well.. This is plain stupid, nothing else.

And from experience, I had an Indicab driver who told me that there was a speed governor for 60kmph installed on his vehicle and he even showed me that it was all connected and functioning. He took me to the outer ring road during my drop to office and demonstrated that he could easily touch 90 kmph with the governor fully functional. He said he did not go to remove it since he was able to do 120 kmph on the highway. Seems strange.. but its right there for us to see...

I am not sure if its good for the engine to have a governor during constant running after the run in period as well. I remember diesel vehicles in the initial stages used to come with them fitted from the company. But the company guys used to remove it as soon as the vehicle went for first service. My dad had once told me that the engine gets damaged if you keep running the vehicle with the governor installed.
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if i can go at 100 kmph on the expressway, i surely can drive at the same speed in narrower roads as well.. This is plain stupid, nothing else.
I too agree that speed governer is not the solution for this issue, however one thing my fellow members (at lest some of them) forgets is in most othe europian countries and in US the maximum speed (leagal limit) is either 110 KMPH or 70 MPH (approx 113 KMPH) that to it is applicable only in Motorways, where 6 lane trafic is there. I know for sure in UK there are variable speed limits 70 MPH in motorway and 4 lane roads, 60MPH in two lane and 30 MPH in City/town/village. We can not apply the same speed limits for all roads
In reply to Abhinav's post yes there is a difference in driving at 100 KMPH in an express way and in a two lane (narrow) road. It is not simply whether you can drive or not, it is more about how much visibility you gets, how quick you can react etc etc

I have seem couple of post talking goverment to take necessery action, I thinik that is stupidity, every individual has to contribute, alone goverment can't enforce the law.
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Originally Posted by eclectix 1st View Post
Our beloved Govt should first start Enforcing the existing rules. Maybe if they do that, there wont be any need of Implementing new rules.

If they seriously start regulating & enforcing rules like
  • Lane discipline
  • Signaling
  • Usage of Hi-Beam headlights in the city
  • DUI (with proper breadth analyzers and legal limits)
  • Pollution (half the trucks and Govt buses will get off the streets
most of the problems will cease to exist.
I fully agree, not only will enforcement of these reduce accidents but they should also substantially reduce the chaos present in traffic in the metros.
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Old 10th May 2008, 10:53   #29
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Default Discipline is needed by both the Public and the Govt!

Its such a pity that people do not follow rules even the basic ones like respecting Signal stops leave alone the Lane disciplines as its greek and latin to such morons. The government should make sure that traffic police monitors the roads with effective punishment and integrity.
I just cannot think that the govt is thinking on installing speed governors where the public does not even follow some basic simple traffic rules. Its just too far away from implementation.
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Yawn, this is yet another nonsensical proposal that is devoid of any practicality, and will never go through. Can you imagine an S-Class restricted to 100 kph? In the slightest of chances that they do implement this, expect brand new cars to drive straight to an after-market specialist who will remove this governor.

As someone posted earlier, let the government focus on implementing the existing rules first before wasting their time on these rubbish ideas.
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