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Old 18th September 2008, 14:47   #856
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So ,

1) What happens to the 1.3 Ivtec we were talking about?

2) What will happen to majority of the indian public who are going behind the idsi model because of the mileage advantage?

Can he 1.5 ivect deliver the same / more mileage as the idsi?

Any reports on mileage front for the 1.5 ivtec?
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ABS and airbags standard on expected 2 varients (s m/t and a/t)
1.5 i-vtec, 118 ps
14.3 kg-m
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On the other hand, 118ps and 14.3kgm is just brilliant!!! Thats around 78.6ps/ltr which i think is the highest output for an NA engine under 25 lakhs.

I just hope it isn't too heavy.
118 ps = 118/1.0149 = 116.26 bhp.
Considering the engine at ( 73.0 mm bore, 89.4 mm stroke ) 1497cc, we get the specific output at 77.66 bhp/ltr. This will be highest on the lower side of Accord ( present generation manages more than this )

IMHO, this is pretty high for a 1.5 ltr engine with Indian fuel. The Fit in US will make 117 bhp. So I doubt this figure. However, going by the present standard of 180+ bhp from the 2354cc Honda Accord engine, it might be possible. The Fit in US will weigh 1130 kg, so this car can also be expected to be a bit heavier.

I hope they manage to properly tune it up as I have noted that in case of Accord, the latest generation has lost on fuel efficiency count.

Edit : I wrote that present generation Accord manages more than 77.66 bhp/ltr. Actually, it does not. The Accord manages 117.35 bhp out of 2354cc engine that makes it 75.33 bhp/ltr. So this engine in the 116.26 bhp format will make the highest specific output till approximately Rs. 25 lakh market.

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Hey Sidindica where did you get these pictures ? Awesome photographs. Also something odd here, the pictures show Automatic Climate Control, but the City released in Thailand didn't have ACC. Also the model released in Thailand had right hand drive, this is LH drive.

I can only pray that the version launched in India has Automatic Climate Control, maybe Honda might feel pressure from the SX4 and introduce it as an option for the Indian release.
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These photographs also show side curtain airbags. Looks to be an European concept release vehicle. They can't afford to launch a vehicle with side curtain airbags for the price they launched in Thailand.
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So ,

1) What happens to the 1.3 Ivtec we were talking about?

2) What will happen to majority of the indian public who are going behind the idsi model because of the mileage advantage?

Can he 1.5 ivect deliver the same / more mileage as the idsi?

Any reports on mileage front for the 1.5 ivtec?
1.There are hardly any talks about 1.3 VTEC. Though i would like Honda to launch it.

2. If im not mistaken i read somewhere that 1.5 VTEC does deliver good mileage this is as per Jazz 1.5 VTEC reports. Obviously you can expect slight drop for City since its a sedan. But im sure 1.5 VTEC wont disappoint in mileage.
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While many people may not find the new grill very pleasing, I find it to be very refreshing approch to the grill design. Several planes blend very well to form flowing lines. Also, potential of making it in body colour is always present which can further improve the visual effect. Other than the grill, rest of the design is derived or borrowed.
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That sounds a tad low to me, especially since it comes with iVtec & (I could be wrong) I presume the high end one would have ABS, Airbags & Leather?

On second thoughts, I'm sure I'm wrong - can't imagine Honda becoming VFM overnight in India
10lac OTR would be my guess.

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some good news:

ABS and airbags standard on expected 2 varients (s m/t and a/t)
1.5 i-vtec, 118 ps
14.3 kg-m
This model comes with audio with i-pod aux-in and usb port but NO CD PLAYER.
steering mounted audio controls and a seperate stereo remote standard .
automatic has paddle shift
it has beige interiors

the bad news:
no alloy wheels fitted from the factory.


soft press launch-september 25/26

cars will be available for display at diwali period or mid-november, at the time of commercial launch.
So one can buy those gorgeous alloys from them later?

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great pics of new honda city
Would look wow in red with black interior.
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Hey Sidindica where did you get these pictures ? Awesome photographs. Also something odd here, the pictures show Automatic Climate Control, but the City released in Thailand didn't have ACC. Also the model released in Thailand had right hand drive, this is LH drive.
Those pics are from Honda Europe press site, hence the LHD interiors and extra goodies. You need to register as a member of the press to download those hi-res images.
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Originally Posted by sidindica View Post
some good news:

ABS and airbags standard on expected 2 varients (s m/t and a/t)
1.5 i-vtec, 118 ps
14.3 kg-m
This model comes with audio with i-pod aux-in and usb port but NO CD PLAYER.
steering mounted audio controls and a seperate stereo remote standard .
automatic has paddle shift
it has beige interiors

the bad news:
no alloy wheels fitted from the factory.
Hey Sid, a dealer here in Blr also confirmed the same details. I believe the ground clearance may not have increased.

But an interesting feature that is coming is the real time mileage indicator that would also indicate how many KMs the car would run on the fuel that is available.

The paddle shift that is coming is like the one in Accord (would work in D mode also, unlike the one in Civic where it works only in S mode).

Another interesting bit is that we would be getting the white color option
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no, those pics were not from the European honda press site but from,

Honda City (2009) with pictures and wallpapers
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118 ps = 118/1.0149 = 116.26 bhp.
Considering the engine at ( 73.0 mm bore, 89.4 mm stroke ) 1497cc, we get the specific output at 77.66 bhp/ltr. This will be highest on the lower side of Accord ( present generation manages more than this )
Accord is 180ps (177.3bhp) and 2354cc so specific output is 177.3 / 2.354 = 75.31bhp/ltr, which is still lower than the 77.66bhp/ltr you calculated for the City.

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Accord is 180ps (177.3bhp) and 2354cc so specific output is 177.3 / 2.354 = 75.31bhp/ltr, which is still lower than the 77.66bhp/ltr you calculated for the City.
I did edit my post as soon as I verefied the fact. The updated/edited part is in bold in the following quote of post of mine.

How this happened is this.
Accord in US is available with 190 bhp engine ( along with 166 bhp from same engine ). Even after considering the figure as 190 ps i.e. 187.21 bhp, the specific output was coming out to be 79.52 bhp/ltr. Here I thought that in India, Honda has not detuned the engine and launched with the same state of tune. So I said that present generation Accord ( in India ) manages more. I soon verified this and updated my post.


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118 ps = 118/1.0149 = 116.26 bhp.
Considering the engine at ( 73.0 mm bore, 89.4 mm stroke ) 1497cc, we get the specific output at 77.66 bhp/ltr. This will be highest on the lower side of Accord ( present generation manages more than this )

...

Edit : I wrote that present generation Accord manages more than 77.66 bhp/ltr. Actually, it does not. The Accord manages 117.35 bhp ( here int the above post I have commited typing error, it must be 177.35 ) out of 2354cc engine that makes it 75.33 bhp/ltr. So this engine in the 116.26 bhp format will make the highest specific output till approximately Rs. 25 lakh market.

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Holy moly!

Those pics look positively drool worthy. Thank God.

The current Jazz+boot City ruined the proportionate looks of the OHC. Good to see them bring back proper sedan styling. Kinda sad to see them slap on the Accord grill on the City though. I'm a firm believer in every car having it's own identity and thus this policy (especially Skoda's - I saw a Superb today and I swore it was a Laura until I spotted the badging) annoys me to no end.

But the day I'll be celebrating is the launch of the Type-R here. I can dream, can't I?
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Launch announced - Sept .25, Thursday, by Honda CEO Takeo Fukui in Delhi

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Launch announced - Sept .25, Thursday, by Honda CEO Takeo Fukui in Delhi
Good news Starscream. cheers: Did you got some more info on the same like pricing etc.??
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