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Old 18th July 2008, 00:48   #151
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Excluding all taxes, a much better car in the UK ......
How did you come to the conclusion that the Ex showroom price is "excluding all takes".
India has VAT and excise already added to the car price, apart from some other stuff
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Going for a TD tomorrow, if the TD car is available.!
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Old 18th July 2008, 10:17   #153
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Both of you mean the same thing. Elita11 says, reduced fuel consumption and aaggoswami, you say increased fuel efficiency. I guess, you both agree here!

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4-5 % increase or decrease ? IIRC, I read the fuel efficiency will increase by 4-5 %.
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The i10ís performance has got better, as has the power rating, but fuel consumption is expected to be 4-5% lower than the Epsilon.
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Default Prices updated on hyundai website

http://hyundaii10.co.in/pricing.asp
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How did you come to the conclusion that the Ex showroom price is "excluding all takes".
India has VAT and excise already added to the car price, apart from some other stuff
Just by following the posts of other members on this thread. For a car costing Rs. 5.5 lakhs ex-showroom (which is what's mentioned in Hyundai press releases), many had posted that it will cost about 6 or 6.2 lakhs on-road?

If the excise and VAT are already included in the ex-showroom price, then what are the charges in addition to it that constitute the on-road price?
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Default New prices updated on the website

New i10 prices have been updated on the Hyundai website

Bangalore Prices --

Old Prices
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i10 D-Lite (Solid) 336394
i10 D-Lite (Metalic) 340008
i10 Era (Solid) 372101
i10 Era (Metalic) 375713
i10 Magna (Solid) 396231
i10 Magna (Metalic) 399843
i10 Magna O(Solid) 469967
i10 Magna O(Metalic) 473580
i10 Magna-O with Sunroof (Solid) 485188
i10 Magna - O with Sunroof (Metalic) 488800

New Prices -- i10 iRDE
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D-Lite (Solid) 336394
D-Lite (Metalic) 340008
Era (Solid) 372101
Era (Metalic) 375713
Magna (Solid) 396231
Magna (Metalic) 399843

New Prices -- i10 Kappa
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Magna (Solid) 402404
Magna (Metalic) 406017
Sportz GLS(Solid) 427053
Sportz GLS(Melatic) 430665
Magna AT(Solid) 445085
Magna AT(Metalic) 448697
Sportz AT GLS(Solid) 469735
Sportz AT GLS(Metalic) 473348
Asta GLS(Solid) 485821
Asta GLS(Metalic) 489432
Asta WS GLS(Solid) 501066
Asta WS GLS(Metalic) 504680
Asta AT WS GLS(Solid) 543733
Asta AT WS GLS(Metalic) 547345
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Old 18th July 2008, 11:27   #157
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The Magna iRDE is still around?!
Why would anyone buy that when the Magna kappa costs 6000rs more?

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^ 6K + a few small features like below that are extra in Magna iRDE, for some people to whom the only difference in the engine apart from the name would be 1.2 - 1.1 = 0.1 :-) , it might be a good reason to buy.

Driver Vanity Mirror
Boot/Luggage Lamp
Door & Tailgate Ajar Warning
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magna iRDE prices could be "offer valid till stocks last" or "clearance sale" but "sorry, no discounts" and "bargaining allowed"
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The Magna iRDE is still around?!
Why would anyone buy that when the Magna kappa costs 6000rs more?
They will probably announce deep discounts if they can't clear the old stock.
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Just by following the posts of other members on this thread. For a car costing Rs. 5.5 lakhs ex-showroom (which is what's mentioned in Hyundai press releases), many had posted that it will cost about 6 or 6.2 lakhs on-road?

If the excise and VAT are already included in the ex-showroom price, then what are the charges in addition to it that constitute the on-road price?

it is due to Insurance, road tax ( even upto 18% of ex showroom cost in karnataka), incidental charges of dealer, extended warranty cost etc etc
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Old 18th July 2008, 12:07   #162
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looking at the pricing, I would be eager to see how does hyundai price i20 which as per Autocar is in getz and swift's range. Also dont these prices intrude getz territory.
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Sorry for quoting my own post. I just found this page on the Hyundai UK website which says that the base retail price for the model I used for comparison above is GBP. 5,308. This translates into Rs. 4,56,056 (today's exchange rate from xe.com: GBP 1 = INR 85.91).

Excluding all taxes, a much better car in the UK (i10 Classic 1.1l engine, Rs. 4,56,056) costs much less than the closest Indian model (i10 Magna-O 1.1l engine, Rs. 4,69,776) despite having much better features and the shipping costs from Chennai to the UK. These two cars are designed and manufactured in the same factory at the same time in Chennai.

As an icing on the cake, the Indian i10 comes with 2 year standard warranty (please correct me if they've improved this), but the UK model comes with 5 year standard warranty.

Draw your own conclusions.

PS. Please do not think I'm singling Hyundai out. All multinational automakers in India do the same thing.
Thanks tsk1979 for pointing out that the Indian ex-showroom price includes a bunch of taxes.

I searched a bit, and it seems that the ex-showroom car price for the Indian model includes 12% excise tax, 12.5% VAT, some 3% educational tax + natural calamity tax. So, to compare the price of the Indian model with the UK model, I need to deduct 27% from the ex-showroom price. The taxes other than VAT are a day robbery in India if you ask me.

The UK model costs Rs. 4,56,056 (which includes shipping costs from India) excluding taxes. The Indian model costs Rs. 3,42,936. The UK model costs almost Rs. 1,00,000 more for shipping from India and all the other extra goodies it has.

This still doesn't negate the fact that the Indian model has terrible safety features. It has a sunroof, but no head rest for the rear middle seat passenger or immobiliser? Hyundai's got their priorities messed up. They should at least provide these extra gadgets as an option or in a higher trim level.

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The Hyundai official website mentions its 80 PS i.e equal to around 78.8 bhp.
How much of a difference does 1.2bhp make to you, exactly? Or to the car's performance and fuel efficiency? I admire your accuracy, but there's no need to swat a fly with a sledgehammer.


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4-5 % increase or decrease ? IIRC, I read the fuel efficiency will increase by 4-5 %.
This has been pointed out already by someone else - I think you've understood it now.


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I doubt these statements. They are coming up with diesel for sure.
You haven't read the statement clearly, again - they say "no diesel plans at the moment." Those last three words are important. The report states facts, not speculation. If you have inside information on the diesel, good for you. This report is about what was said at the launch, and not about what the writer feels their plans are.
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Thanks tsk1979 for pointing out that the Indian ex-showroom price includes a bunch of taxes.

I searched a bit, and it seems that the ex-showroom car price for the Indian model includes 12% excise tax, 12.5% VAT, some 3% educational tax + natural calamity tax. So, to compare the price of the Indian model with the UK model, I need to deduct 27% from the ex-showroom price. The taxes other than VAT are a day robbery in India if you ask me.

The UK model costs Rs. 4,56,056 (which includes shipping costs from India) excluding taxes. The Indian model costs Rs. 3,42,936. The UK model costs almost Rs. 1,00,000 more for shipping from India and all the other extra goodies it has.

This still doesn't negate the fact that the Indian model has terrible safety features. It has a sunroof, but no head rest for the rear middle seat passenger or immobiliser? Hyundai's got their priorities messed up. They should at least provide these extra gadgets as an option or in a higher trim level.
Finally, you have realised that Hyundai is not differentiating Indian consumers in terms of price!
Coming to feature differences: Before a model or variant is made available in the market, every manufacturer does a clinic with the consumers and with the distributors. And then the the manufacturer takes a call based on their feedback. This type of market survey is called an image clinic. You may please speak to any agencies who specialize in these type of clinics to know more.
Probably Indian consumers, during such a clinic did not see a necessity for the 3rd headrest at all, instead they would have given more priority of some other feature. (how many cars in India, by the way have the 3rd Headrest? except for the CBU/SKD cars)
So what I want to say here is that an individuals remark is not what any manufacturer will consider, but if its a groups remark, its taken more seriously.
Any way, lets see how the i10 kappa does and then draw conclusions.
Requesting all team-bhp ians to give more factual statements than just roumors & biased perceptions. I think this site is very good for any enthusiast and requires more correct informations than just gossips
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