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Old 17th July 2008, 14:46   #61
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Is the F500 brand BIG Enuf than the others which i mentioned above ?

and if you are talking about Cult following than i think M800 and Corolla's are not far behind !

i rest my case.
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guys - i am sure anyone who buys fiat 500 is buying it for exclusivity and it is famous for that - however my point is its famous and exclusive as a sports hatch. In the UK and europe people prefer it cos it as exclusive as the mini and beats the mini with its stonker of a petrol engine (). Infact at 10k pounds for the 1.4 ltr 100bhp petrol with the exclusivity that I get there is no way i will compare it to civic or skoda or anything out there.
I know a lot of people (including me if its 12L) who would somehow convince themselves and cough up 12-15lacs for the exclusivity it offers, but certainly not for the diesel. I have a couple of relatives in UK, and this car is a hot seller there but the petrol and not the diesel any day
Hopefully in the future prices of the 500 may go down to 12Lacs and they make the petrol available at 12 which is worth it. Else I am going to wait for the mini (hope that is not launched in diesel only )

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As May put it in the Fiat 500 review "The whole deal about a small fiat is to rev it and rev it and rev it until the valves come out and start dancing on the bonnet". If this were a petrol, I'd have seriously thought about it. With the MJD engine... naaa thanks I don't want it.

You can't rev it the way you want and it'll be front heavy messing up the handling. If fiat had got this as a CKD and assembled it here and sold it at around Fabia prices, this thing would have sold much more.

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FIAT shot themselves in the foot with the Palio. If they are serious about brand building - I think offering better A.S.S support to existing FIAT owners would be much better than launching the 500 !

Of course. But here we are just giving our views.

Now back to the 500.
I think some people are mixing up two discussions into one thread. IMO, there are two different aspects:

1. The FIAT 500, and the chance of its success, keeping in mind its position as a two-door hatchback with a diesel engine and its price Rs 12-15 lakhs.

If the BMW can try to do it with the Mini, why can't Fiat try the same with the 500? In any case, its a direct import, so its unlikely that it will face the fate of the S10 (unsold stocks). Let me also mention that the S10 was a car way ahead of its time, and at a time nobody wanted to shell out Rs 6 lakhs plus for a hatch, however advanced.

2. The chances of success with a strategy of launching an ultra-expensive mini-hatch in limited numbers as a brand building exercise for a brand suffering from its image as a company with terrible A.S.S. and outdated products.

This is something only Fiat can answer. I would have preferred a quicker launch of the GP and the Linea with good pricing and also provide better service to Palio users in the present scenario.
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FIAT shot themselves in the foot with the Palio. If they are serious about brand building - I think offering better A.S.S support to existing FIAT owners would be much better than launching the 500 !
The service levels have improved for sure with Tata in the picture besides brand building is more than just good A$$. Good marketing and PR initiatives are also a part of it.

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guys - i am sure anyone who buys fiat 500 is buying it for exclusivity and it is famous for that - however my point is its famous and exclusive as a sports hatch. In the UK and europe people prefer it cos it as exclusive as the mini and beats the mini with its stonker of a petrol engine (). Infact at 10k pounds for the 1.4 ltr 100bhp petrol with the exclusivity that I get there is no way i will compare it to civic or skoda or anything out there.
I know a lot of people (including me if its 12L) who would somehow convince themselves and cough up 12-15lacs for the exclusivity it offers, but certainly not for the diesel. I have a couple of relatives in UK, and this car is a hot seller there but the petrol and not the diesel any day
Hopefully in the future prices of the 500 may go down to 12Lacs and they make the petrol available at 12 which is worth it. Else I am going to wait for the mini (hope that is not launched in diesel only )
And Fiat 500 is now the official courtesy car for Ferrari owners in Europe, offcourse not the plain vanilla car but a modified one.
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finally figured out the above link
http://www.******************/fiats-...r-for-ferrari/
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Let me also mention that the S10 was a car way ahead of its time,
I always hear this line in defence of the S10 - wonder why 1
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and at a time nobody wanted to shell out Rs 6 lakhs plus for a hatch, however advanced.
even today no one wants too - not for a petrol hatch at least !
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If the BMW can try to do it with the Mini, why can't Fiat try the same with the 500? In any case, its a direct import, so its unlikely that it will face the fate of the S10 (unsold stocks). Let me also mention that the S10 was a car way ahead of its time, and at a time nobody wanted to shell out Rs 6 lakhs plus for a hatch, however advanced.
What makes you think that scenario has changed? Look at the SR-V for example. And more importantly the above statement of yours (highlighted) still holds true because I believe that even today no one is going to buy a hatch for 6-7 lakhs, leave alone something priced at 15L.

I love the Fiat 500 but I think selling 500 units at the given price might be too optimistic.
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I always hear this line in defence of the S10 - wonder why 1
Well, it was ahead because it had certain features which were not available in most sedans of its time either, and definitely not in most hatchbacks.

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even today no one wants too - not for a petrol hatch at least !
that's the point! Even today there are few takers for petrol hatches at Rs 6 lacs+, let alone way back in 2002-3. So the S10 was bad marketing strategy. Simple. That could be the only thing common between the S10 and the 500.
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I believe that even today no one is going to buy a hatch for 6-7 lakhs, leave alone something priced at 15L.

I love the Fiat 500 but I think selling 500 units at the given price might be too optimistic.
@iraghava, i think there are takers for hatchbacks whicch are 8 lacs odd. Eg Fabia, it is a fact that the fabia has bad figures purely becase of its production capacity. Thanks to the swift people have changed the way they look at a hatch.

Having said that, this point is totally irrelevant with regards to the 500, as the 500 will be either the second or the third car the person will buy. And whoever will be buying it will be buying it for its novelty, uniqueness, brand value, imagery and uniqueness.

Whether 500 pieces will be sold or not is a question but i think its a brilliant move by Fiat to get this car and the bravo, to up their imagery.
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The 500 will be bought by Guys who are truly and completely FIAT fans.. If i had the money, I would be the first one to put my name on the list!!
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A lot has been said about the 500. Is there any chance that we could get this beauty. This will convert of a lot of folks. A convertible in 15L creates a whole new segment.
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Finally 18th is here, any news update on fiat launch?
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Old 18th July 2008, 17:06   #74
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car will be available through 6 new tata fiat dealerships in delhi, mumbai, bangalore, pune and chandigarh-ludhiana.

two versions-lounge and sport

ex-showroom price-Rs. 14,80,500

11 colours
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Fiat site is still down. How did u get that information?
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