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Old 11th August 2008, 16:16   #1
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Default SUV Owners and Metro dwellers to pay more (Rs.2) for Diesel?

If this report is to be believed (and it quotes some of the recommendations by the B K Chaturvedi committee), then those who drive "Fuel Guzzling Large SUVs" and everyone that lives in Metros will pay Rs.2 more for Fuel.

Metros, SUVs may have to shell out more for fuel- Oil & Gas-Energy-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

I wonder what happens if the SUV under question is more fuel efficient than smaller vehicles that consume more expensive (to produce) petrol?

But then, WHO in our country thinks logically while imposing new charges and taxes? Tax the buggers who drive big vehicles so that you can claim to be subsidising the 'common man'.
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Great!

Should start with badly maintained Govt vehicles first.
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This has me worried man -- though i haven't yet owned a diesel vehicle. However, in near future this recommendation is very unlikely to be implemented. This is one of those recommendations that will go into cold storage.
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Yeah just read it in ET. Govt & its new norms.

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smaller vehicles that consume more expensive (to produce) petrol?
I thought Diesel was more expensive?
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We are not a democracy, we just think we are. Another example...head scarves for girls have been banned in Pune.

There are numerous such examples but then this is not the topic. Babus dont exactly know what fuel efficiency means or what does cubic capacity mean. They just know "haan yeh badi gaadi hai" and will probably drink more fuel even if the driver drives it in the best way, managing 15 to a liter of diesel, which is quite possible....Still!! We have illiterate villagers sitting at top posts, what do they know about technology, environment, economy and general welfare.
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The people who one such machines, would still pay the Rs.2 extra without crying about it. SUV's are highly taxed in Europe (at least in Germany), as they think it is a rich man's toy.
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Fuel Guzzling Large SUVs! Are they here making a distinction between this and the Fuel Sipping Not So Large SUV? I mean how do they decide what they are talking about unless everything is clearly benchmarked? If they do not benchmark things then sooner than later they will be flooded with PILs in the supreme court.

Similarly what is the basis for charging more to the Metro dwellers? Do they subsidize the vehicles or the fuel for the denizens of the Metro cities? On what basis can they put a surcharge on a Metro dweller who drives around in a rickety, old M800 (my neighbourhood smalltime trader) while the tycoon Businessman who drives a Merc and lives in HP (to take advantages of the various govt. schemes for business in those parts) does not pay so?

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SUV's are highly taxed in Europe (at least in Germany), as they think it is a rich man's toy.
Taxation in most European nations is based on carbon emissions, fuel consumption and other measurable, logical parameters.

And not because it is a 'rich man's toy'. That is our socialist intellectual property.
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At the moment - for Germany it is based on the cubic capacity/bhp and diesel/petrol. From next year onwards they would be based on carbon emissions but that has not yet been implemented and there are no decisions as of now.

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How will it be regulated, suppose a non-metro guy goes to his regular petrol pump station, he wont take the bill, so the pump guy will "compromise" neither mine nor yours, i'll charge you Rs. 1 instead of 2, how will the govt come to know, see its very difficult to regulate it, easy to announce it.

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How will it be regulated, suppose a non-metro guy goes to his regular petrol pump station, he wont take the bill, so the pump guy will say ok i'll charge you Rs. 1 instead of 2, how will the govt come to know, see its very difficult to regulate it, easy to announce it.
Time to buy an old diesel Amby or Jeep and fit it out with an XXL 90 litre diesel tank. Only on fuelling duty.
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Time to buy an old diesel Amby or Jeep and fit it out with an XXL 90 litre diesel tank. Only on fuelling duty.
I was expecting such things to come up Please do purchase before it builds up a premium in resale market as "Fuel tanker"


Btw, were we not talking of why private vehicles should get subsidized diesel? So, is this not a good initiative? Also, this is suppose to be implemented after dropping other duties to some extent and in effect, the cost should be controlled right?

"Fuel Guzzling Large SUVs" - I guess they are trying to target the higher capacity engines and express as this?
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Take the 50 liter can in the trunk of your large SUV and avoid paying Tax.
Such kind of vehicle based petrol prices are not practical and certainly not enforcable.
Makes you wonder which mental asylum did this bureaucrat escape from
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If I am gonna pay extra 2Rs then I guess I should get more freedom with road.

I will surely reclaim then,more I mean.
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@mjothi

IMO if they want to garner revenue, tax or discourage non-commercial diesel vehicle users, they should tax diesel cars, irrespective of size or shape as "Subsidy Tax" once and for all during purchase say 15-20% of the Ex-showroom price to offset Petrol & Diesel users' benefits. Even if the car is transferred to a second owner, he has to register with the RTO (i.e. many loops in that too), so even then he should be levied a subsidy tax on the current insured value say a higher 25% (as older vehicles lose their efficiency in time).

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