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Old 4th September 2008, 12:41   #361
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Ha ha. Good Joke.

One a lighter note, Should we move this to Joke thread
Oh boy! We are doing some serious discussions here and you are informing us to move this to joke thread. This is a joke isn't it?
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Oh boy! We are doing some serious discussions here and you are informing us to move this to joke thread. This is a joke isn't it?
Oops. I did not meant the whole thread. Just the MB's comment of solving in 2 days.
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Oops. I did not meant the whole thread. Just the MB's comment of solving in 2 days.
Don't take it seriously buddy. Was just pulling you.
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Its sad to see such political mileage being drawn out of such a situation. I somehow suspect the farmers themselves are not that innocent as they are made out to be. Traditionally, they tend to play both ends of the field to get the best out of their situation. I've heard similar stories in TN where the government offers relocation packages and the company offers employment etc, but the farmers want only cash and also loads of it without accepting employment, ever!

Anyways, I've always been quite puzzled about the West Bengal government and their citizens. Cited as one of the more intelligent communities in India, I wonder how their general public just makes a hue and cry about this situation and doesn't do anything about it. I've heard loads of "learned" and "senior" and "intellectual" people on tv about this for a while now. Just that all of them air their opinions but won't step out and drive this menace of a political party helmed by MB out of their state. I think we try to "behave" ourselves as dignified etc but sometimes you gotta take up a stick. Come on, Bengalis, don't take this lying down. You know what's good for your state.
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My post-pullout perspective of the whole incidence
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  1. 2003: Nano plans being made
  2. May 2005: Ace Debuts. Nano vision looks like a reality.
  3. 2005-6: Tata leases land from WB Govt. Everything is hunky-dory. Plant is on its way, work in full swing
  4. 2006-7: Nano prototype is designed and built elsewhere.
  5. 2007: SEZ trouble start brewing. Nandigram boils up. Tata sees early warning signs. Prepares plan B.
  6. Jan 2008: Nano debuts.
  7. Feb 2008: Protests heat up. Plan B on its way.
  8. Mid 2008: Singur is now Plan B. Nano is comfortably being produced elsehere in pantnagar.
  9. July 2008: Tata tries his best to salvage singur. In a last ditch attempt, Tata issues a warm warning. It doesn't work.
  10. August 2008: Tata moves out.
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No offence, but are you under the influence of anything? Ratan Tata runs a business, not a charity. He asked for some land, and the WB government gave it to him.
West Bengal offered him cheap land. The money being invested was Tata Sons'. Due diligence would have alerted Tata that this land was a minefield. We have already seen in recent past how the CPI goons cleansed the people in parts of Bengal....people get all bent over Gujrat riot, but turn a blind eye to crimes in West Bengal.

Mamta is raising the genuine ire of people, but of course in a political way. Such is India.

Ratan sought a hard bargain, and got more than he bargained for.

The work has only been suspended, the project has not been cancelled. Latest news is that new negotations will give the project the final green-light in a matter of days. Cheers.
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The work has only been suspended, the project has not been cancelled. Latest news is that new negotations will give the project the final green-light in a matter of days. Cheers.
We are hoping for the best. It will do all the people good if this happens. But what is the guarantee that this will not happen again. Since WB is known for bundhs and shutdowns, the same fate will also be for tata plant. Hope the CITU member will not ecome a union leader of this plant. . If yes, then the dreams of millions of indians owning a car with 1Lac will be washed out...
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We are hoping for the best. It will do all the people good if this happens. But what is the guarantee that this will not happen again. Since WB is known for bundhs and shutdowns, the same fate will also be for tata plant. Hope the CITU member will not ecome a union leader of this plant. . If yes, then the dreams of millions of indians owning a car with 1Lac will be washed out...
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My post-pullout perspective of the whole incidence
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  1. 2003: Nano plans being made
  2. May 2005: Ace Debuts. Nano vision looks like a reality.
  3. 2005-6: Tata leases land from WB Govt. Everything is hunky-dory. Plant is on its way, work in full swing
  4. 2006-7: Nano prototype is designed and built elsewhere.
  5. 2007: SEZ trouble start brewing. Nandigram boils up. Tata sees early warning signs. Prepares plan B.
  6. Jan 2008: Nano debuts.
  7. Feb 2008: Protests heat up. Plan B on its way.
  8. Mid 2008: Singur is now Plan B. Nano is comfortably being produced elsehere in pantnagar.
  9. July 2008: Tata tries his best to salvage singur. In a last ditch attempt, Tata issues a warm warning. It doesn't work.
  10. August 2008: Tata moves out.
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The work has only been suspended, the project has not been cancelled. Latest news is that new negotations will give the project the final green-light in a matter of days. Cheers
So
11. Sept 2008: Tata's threat works. MB backs off.
12 Jan 2009: First nano from singur rolls out.

:-)
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Tatas have abandoned projects earlier too

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The land acquired by the Tata at Gopalpur is lying vacant and the company proposes to set up a multi-product SEZ there. Before the Gopalpur fiasco, Tatas had burnt their finger in the Chilka prawn culture project.
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The work has only been suspended, the project has not been cancelled. Latest news is that new negotations will give the project the final green-light in a matter of days. Cheers.
There is no 'final green-light' for this project. Even if all political troublemakers and Naxals masquerading as friends of the farmers back down in the next 2 days as MB has claimed, the investor confidence and business plan has been completely shattered and the Tata group are not stupid to go back and make the same mistake.

The business environment, security, investment environment etc is a very hard thing to build up, and it can be destroyed in a moment. I'm afraid as far as WB goes humpty dumpty has already broken into a thousand pieces and he is not going to be put back in the future, at least till the people in WB throw out both CPIM and MB and bring in a different government.

Ironically it is MB fighting against the CPIM, the techniques she is using are the very same ones perfected by the CPIM for the last 50 years. At the end of the day the Tatas will move on, the politicians will live well as usual, the ultra-left wing nuts will be happy about their 'victory' against the imperialist and the bourgeois, and the common man will die in misery as usual.
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Here's the latest linky: Tata says they will pull out of Singur and will use the land to some other purpose.

Tatas to relocate Nano from Singur: Sources

One more problem Tata's informing that they are facing pricing problem with Nano project. Not sure whether they will raise the prices of nano - This is Ratan Tata's statement today.
Nano faces input cost pressure: Ratan Tata
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Ironically it is MB fighting against the CPIM, the techniques she is using are the very same ones perfected by the CPIM for the last 50 years.
Spot on, this is the biggest tragedy - and West Bengal becomes the loser both times (a few decades back when industries pulled out due to Marxist thought processes & now thanks to the Trinamool)
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Default Mamata Banerjee - Singur impasse would be resolved “in the next two days”!!! (Day 1)

Sources tell CNN-IBN that the state government is planning a better economic package for those who are going to lose their land in Singur.


The new package will benefit not just the 2,200 people who are protesting against the TATA Nano plant in Singur but also the ones who had willingly given up their land earlier.



Managing Director of TATA Motors Ravi Kant also hoped that the demand for Nano will exceed the supply. Why not? TATA Nano is getting so much free publicity @MB!!!
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The work has only been suspended, the project has not been cancelled. Latest news is that new negotations will give the project the final green-light in a matter of days. Cheers.
What guarantee is there that another similar issue will not pop up?

IMHO it isnt the land issue that was a roadblock - it was the 'agitation' and the way it was disrupting work. Today, land is the excuse - tomorrow it would be something else.

If they operate from Singur/WB they will be sitting ducks for future protests and no organization can afford to work in such a hostile environment.

The environment is not conducive. They really should look elsewhere to some place where they can concentrate on just making cars.
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Exactly. The CITU and other unions enter to the plant politics (elections) and then they will slowly start to blackmail the company and ultimately, it is the company which suffers and will be shut down. We have seen this in past happen to so many companies. As soon as this union enters any company, it is as good as the company is destroyed as almost none has survived with the union members belonging to CITU.

Hope the tata's will pull out and set up the shop some where else.
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