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Old 24th February 2009, 10:55   #136
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Even at a hike of 80-90k, it'll make a huge dent in the Verna's sales figures.
Dent ?? i would say a eat-up SX4 DDiS will eat up Verna Diesel Sales !!
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If and when its coming. We have been talking about the SX4 D for ages, but there are only rumors. Where is it?
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Old 24th February 2009, 12:00   #138
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a one lakh hike will still do no harm for the sx4 diesel. Considering the size and road presence of the monster, combined with the maruti reliability and support network etc etc., would definitely eat up other vehicle sales. Only thing is, will it ever come out, or will the rumor continue?
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Old 24th February 2009, 12:49   #139
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If we look at the waiting periods for Swift and Dzire Diesels, its looks unlikely to be launched in the next 6 months.
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Even I heard that Maruti Suzuki will launch the SX4 diesel version in India. But till now there is no confirmed news on the same.
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May be with the waiting period for its swift diesel and dzire diesel, maruti might have postponed its plans to launh sx4 diesel variant, but with increasing its DDIS engine in its hatch and sedan of swift, they surely are thinking of getting it on sx4 too to capture its high end sedan market too, with ford fiesta and verna competting.
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Fiat's introduction of the 1.6 Multijet in their European Sedici (sister car to the hatchback version of our SX4) as a replacement for the current 1.9 Multijet, is imminent.

Fiat Sedici spy shots

In all likelihood Suzuki Europe will take this new engine also (given that they take the 1.9 Multijet).

Hopefully they'll bring it to India whenever the SX4 facelift happens. The Grand Vitara could use this engine too.

Somehow, I don't think we'll see a 1.3 DDiS 90 PS in our SX4 sedan.

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Maruti plans diesel variants of SX4, Ritz

Chanchal Pal Chauhan | ET 14 Apr 2009
New Delhi: The success of diesel variants of Swift and DZire models, which have a waiting list of months, has propelled passenger car maker Maruti Suzuki India (MSI), which makes every second car sold in India, to introduce diesel engines in its other cars, a senior company official said.
The company's hatchback Ritz, which will be launched next month, will have a diesel avatar sporting a 1.3-litre engine. "There is a good demand for diesel cars in the Indian market, and we are looking at the possibility of introducing more diesel engine options. But, we face some capacity constraints for expansion," MSI managing director S Nakanishi said. The car maker produces two lakh 1.3-litre DDiS diesel engines in India, some of which are exported to the parent Suzuki's subsidiaries in Hungary. Mr. Nakanishi declined to comment on which cars the company was considering to offer diesel variants.
Diesel cars are becoming very popular as they are more fuel-efficient and cheaper to run. Both our Swift and DZire diesel variants outstrip the sales of their petrol siblings. We, currently, don't manufacture any diesel engines other than the 1.3-litre multi-jet and sourcing a new engine may take some time," another MSI official said.
Maruti's parent company, Suzuki Motor Corporation, sells the 1.6-litre diesel variant of its SX4 sedan in Europe by sourcing the engines from Peugeot and Fiat. The same car in India is available in petrol variant only. The company also sells the 1.9-litre DDiS diesel variant of the Grant Vitara SUV in the UK. Maruti does not have diesel offerings in Alto, WagonR, Zen Estilo and the recently launched A-Star.
According to market experts, Maruti's expansion of its diesel portfolio is aimed at halting the onslaught of its biggest rival - Hyundai - that plans to launch diesel variants of its small cars i10 and i20.
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"There is a good demand for diesel cars in the Indian market, and we are looking at the possibility of introducing more diesel engine options. But, we face some capacity constraints for expansion," MSI managing director S Nakanishi said.
Sagging sales of SX4 have forced MUL to explore the possibilities of launching diesel version.

IMO, without offence to the owners, none of current crop of engines barring 1.3 multijet ( read FIAT/ GM ) at MUL sounds exciting as compared to competition.

Until now, they have been fooling public by permutation & combinations of sharing engines/ cylinder blocks of M-800, Alto, Wagon R, Estilo.
Localization had led to costly engines being stopped ( Zen, Baleno, Esteem though 1.3 esteem still does duty in swift). and now, they are feeling capacity constraints.

All said & done, 1.6 ltr multijet seems exciting, watch out Verna!

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Maruti plans diesel variants of SX4, Ritz

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According to market experts, Maruti's expansion of its diesel portfolio is aimed at halting the onslaught of its biggest rival - Hyundai - that plans to launch diesel variants of its small cars i10 and i20.
I am sure Maruti does not produce these engines since they buy it off FIAT facility in Ranjangaon. It is after all not their homegrown engine which also explains the long waiting list since they are licensed to only buy a certain number of units from FIAT.
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I am sure Maruti does not produce these engines since they buy it off FIAT facility in Ranjangaon. It is after all not their homegrown engine which also explains the long waiting list since they are licensed to only buy a certain number of units from FIAT.

Maruti produces the engine in its own facility. GM got the multijet diesel technology as a compensation for a failed merger with FIAT and Suzuki got the technology from GM. GM holds stake in Suzuki. Fiat produces the Diesel engines in the Ranjangaon plant and is shared between FIAT and Tata motors.
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Maruti produces the engine in its own facility. GM got the multijet diesel technology as a compensation for a failed merger with FIAT and Suzuki got the technology from GM. GM holds stake in Suzuki. Fiat produces the Diesel engines in the Ranjangaon plant and is shared between FIAT and Tata motors.

Even though GM got stakes in Suzuki, only GM and its subsidiaries(Opel, Chevorlet) can use the MJD engine without any license from FIAT. Since Suzuki is not a subsidiary they cannot use any MJD engine without license from FIAT.
Also, the compensation for failed merger was limited to all MJD(SDE) engines co-developed by FIAT-GM, precisely only two series of engine was developed till then, 1.3 MJD, 1.3 MJD with VGT and the mighty 1.9MJD.
And both GM and FIAT are entitiled to have further iterations of those engines.

Fiat successfully came up with fresh 1.6 MJD on 2007 which is actually after the FIAT-GM pay-off and hence the licesnse for using the current 'Fiat-made' 1.6 MJD rests only with FIAT.

Suzuki SX4 in its international version is using 1.9MJD 120 Bhp which they got from the compensation.
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i hope Maruti will launch SX4 diesel with a new engine, please not with the INdian national engine, 1,3 MJD (just like Linea).

Now there will be a healthy competition between Verna, SX4, Linea and Fiesta in diesel segment.
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Fiat successfully came up with fresh 1.6 MJD on 2007 which is actually after the FIAT-GM pay-off and hence the licesnse for using the current 'Fiat-made' 1.6 MJD rests only with FIAT.

Suzuki SX4 in its international version is using 1.9MJD 120 Bhp which they got from the compensation.
If that indeed is the case, why would FIAT bother to provide any license for the 1.3 VGT or bigger capacity engines to Maruti? It just doesn't make any business sense for them as it will be a competition to Linea.

And i guess that what they are doing - since if it was possible Maruti would have introduced a SX4 D a long time back.
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A diesel SX4 would affect Linea, Verna and Fiesta sales very much. Why is Maruti holding back on expanding its facilities?
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