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Old 20th January 2011, 19:33   #376
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+1 to that. Also, Maruti gets the value vs. price right almost all the time. When they are charging almost 3L above the dzire, they wont fail to add power to the engine.
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Taking the weight of the car into consideration, wouldn't plonking this engine make the car underpowered?

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Maruti gets the value vs. price right almost all the time.

I disagree with you.

For the record, Maruti Suzuki Dzire does not have electrically adjustable OVRMs whereas Maruti WagonR has the same. So, doesn't that imply that what you've said do not hold any value.
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Taking the weight of the car into consideration, wouldn't plonking this engine make the car underpowered?

I disagree with you.

For the record, Maruti Suzuki Dzire does not have electrically adjustable OVRMs whereas Maruti WagonR has the same. So, doesn't that imply that what you've said do not hold any value.
Maybe he means that relatively (comparing) with the Hondas/ Skodas of our world (and now maybe VW).
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An "underpowered" and "overweight" linea can crack 0-100 in 15 seconds with the same motor with absurd tuning and going by the way Maruti tunes its DDIS motors, expect the SX4 to have atleast a 0-100 in 13 seconds odd. While sales may not be spectacular, the car can atleast be a sensible option to the vento. And SX4 offers a shade better equipment if the ZXI model is taken into consideration. Can anyone give me prices of:
  • Swift dzire ZXi
  • Swift dzire ZDI
  • SX4 ZXI fabric?
Then I will try to calculate the est prices and we will discuss further.

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An "underpowered" and "overweight" linea can crack 0-100 in 15 seconds with the same motor with absurd tuning and going by the way Maruti tunes its DDIS motors, expect the SX4 to have atleast a 0-100 in 13 seconds odd.
I read in the last couple of pages of this thread that the SX4 will get the same engine that powers Maruti Swift, Maruti Ritz etc.

But since you're comparing the Maruti SX4 with Fiat Linea, can I safely assume that SX4 will get the 1.3 MJD 90 BHP with VGT?

PS : Pardon my ignorance, I didn't get the 'absurd tuning' part.
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I read in the last couple of pages of this thread that the SX4 will get the same engine that powers Maruti Swift, Maruti Ritz etc.

But since you're comparing the Maruti SX4 with Fiat Linea, can I safely assume that SX4 will get the 1.3 MJD 90 BHP with VGT?

PS : Pardon my ignorance, I didn't get the 'absurd tuning' part.
Yes, Sx4 will get VGT 90 HP. Absurd tuning means the fiat's way of tuning gear ratios for outright performance in Indian cars which make the swift faster than the punto 75.

BTW whats the price of the aforementioned three cars? MSIL sites are not working on my comp.
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@sidindica - any scoop on the launch date for the SX4 diesel yet? Here are the prices:

Maruti Swift VDI with ABS BS IV 567096.59
Maruti Swift VXI (Bharat Stage IV with ABS) 495793.83

Maruti Swift DZIRE ZDI BS IV 734602.65
Maruti Swift DZIRE ZXI (BS IV) 661570.52

Maruti SX4 ZXI MT (BSIV) 811059.37

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Concrete date not known but please give me pricing for dzire zxi, dzire zdi and sx4 zxi fabric?
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^^
MARUTI SWIFT DZIRE ZDI BS IV --------------------- 710873.90
MARUTI SWIFT DZIRE ZXI (BHARAT STAGE IV) ---------635770.04
MARUTI SX4 ZXI MT (BSIV) --------------------------- 772173
MARUTI SX4 ZXI MT, LEATHER(BSIV) --------------------806262

All prices are Ex Showroom Delhi

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Given in my previous post:
the price for SX4 is the fabric one, the one for leather is mentioned separately.
Maruti Swift DZIRE ZDI BS IV 734602.65
Maruti Swift DZIRE ZXI (BS IV) 661570.52
all prices ex showroom mumbai

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Considering the 75k price gap between dzire petrol and diesel, worst case scenario, expect a one lakh rupee price difference between the petrol and diesel sx4, or 8.75 lakhs ex delhi, or even worse, less than 9 lakhs. Considering the vento TDI HL is priced at 9,23,500 ex delhi and a 1.6 vs a 1.3 factor, I can safely assume a 8.75 lakhs price tag for the zdi variant.
At that price, it will be a good alternative to the vento but I suspect that the SX4 will still lack the overall finesse of the vento, its prime target.
But still, the VFM factor, Higher GC, proven MJD reliability and MSIL service network can be pros. Cons continue to be build, quality and finish and lack of polish.
Once a drive is taken only then we will be able to comment, though the MJD may have an edge on driveability and linear power delivery factor.

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considering the 75k price gap between dzire petrol and diesel, worst case scenario, expect a one lakh rupee price difference between the petrol and diesel sx4, or 8.75 lakhs ex delhi, or even worse, less than 9 lakhs. Considering the vento TDI HL is priced at 9,23,500 ex delhi and a 1.6 vs a 1.3 factor, ....
I think the price difference might still stay the same, (if not less) because the engines replaced are also different 1.6 VVT vs 1.2 K-Series. I'd place my bet on the SX4-Diesel ZXi MT to be in 8.4L range. All said, I cannot help but feel bad about this indignity (1.3L !?!) that the SX4 is gonna be subjected to in our market.
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I think the price difference might still stay the same, (if not less) because the engines replaced are also different 1.6 VVT vs 1.2 K-Series. I'd place my bet on the SX4-Diesel ZXi MT to be in 8.4L range. All said, I cannot help but feel bad about this indignity (1.3L !?!) that the SX4 is gonna be subjected to in our market.
Look, we have to see two scenarios from India's perspective.
  • the mileage factor
  • the localization factor.
Considering MSIL's reputation for optimised caliberation of the DDiS for both performance and mileage, and most importantly, the huge gap of rupees 21 between petrol and diesel prices in Delhi (today the new petroleum minister announced that diesel prices will not hiked in the short term), it will make a huge difference in owners' pockets. We may fret at the price premium taking the initial cost into consideration, but the "kitna deti hai" figures will be closed watchly by the industry and considering VW's reputation for efficient diesel motors, expect the SX4 DDiS to be bragged all about mileage (seen MSIL's recent mileage obsessed ads?) and worldwide, forget the factor that if a car has to be bigger, the engine has to be bigger. Its the downsizing that will rule and being the fact that 1.3 is available locally and also powers the Sx4 hatch as one of the engines in select European markets, and above all, to reignite the SX4's falling sales, a 1.3 would be a safe bet.
If launched at a right price and marketed properly, this car has the potential to kill the linea, until fiat does something about that 1.6 it was planning since 2009.

Expect something of like a cutthroat like the pic below:
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I agree, it may very well sound the death knell for the Linea unless they take quicker steps. Great times to be a customer and get the manufacturers fighting to earn our money!
Great pic sidindica, is it an ad or a modified one? I hope its not real!
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Its real, I mean created to look like real. I was watching air crash investigation that very moment.
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