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Old 4th April 2005, 14:12   #46
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..and understand that those driving other vehicles do not suffer from 'Brain Damage', .....

Another korean car driver i presume...
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BTW did anyone has spoken to fiat earlier about the service and quality of car..
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whoa whoa whoa - great battle - score so far

Team-bhp website 10
Palio car owners 5
silly korean car driver 5
GTO's proactive reporting 5
Fiat management -10

sorry - I am biased somewhere
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Another korean car driver i presume...
Hmmmm.... Korean, German, French, Belgian and EX- Italian, Spanish and Malaysian car driver here. Also contemplating Indian car for parents.

Come in here dear boy, have a cigar - you have to go far...
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what do you do, drive for HERTZ or somthing???

hehehe...good one there ajmat!!
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what do you do, drive for HERTZ or somthing???
No, I lived in different countries over the last 8 years and most of those cars were provided by the employers.

Lets get back to the topic, though.
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palio's are here to stay and Fiat in one way or other.
Fiat has been bad mouthed before.
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Frankly your extrapolations about FIAT_india's future from such bits of news seem fa..ar fetched. These things(like mgmt resginations) happen all over the world all the time.
It would be much more difficult for FIAT to close the India-shop than to revamp their india ops. Its going to be some time before they are able to do the later.

As I pointed out last time on another thread of discussion, GM's performance in India has been far worse than Fiat. (And it's Auto ops are struggling even in rest of the world). Similar is the story about Mitsubishi which is trying to stay afloat. Why then I do not see any such "pro-active" predictions here about their future in India?.

[BTW did you read the reports on FIAT-spa's improved performance in Feb'05?]

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you are a good sport steeroid, must have been fun driving all those wheels...and yes, lets get back to the topic.

well, we live in hope natrajan.
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As I pointed out last time on another thread of discussion, GM's performance in India has been far worse than Fiat. (And it's Auto ops are struggling even in rest of the world). Similar is the story about Mitsubishi which is trying to stay afloat. Why then I do not see any such "pro-active" predictions here about their future in India?.

[BTW did you read the reports on FIAT-spa's improved performance in Feb'05?]
fiat performing better than GM - Could you provide the data and reference for this please...as for mitsubishi - this is mainly in HM hands - fortunately HM is making money from making ford/isuzu engines which offsets losses elsewhere - and has a huge cash pile from selling the earthmoving division. I see more new palios than new lancers
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Shutting down operations and writing of losses is not a easy thing i agree. But when things go out of hand, they might as well do it.

Unless some one radical comes to head ops and does something really really good, FIAT India is not going to do any good.

It takes lot more than just Schumi or tendulkar to sell a car in India. Fiat has learned it the hard way. Time for them to sit down, take a lesson from the past experience and start off fresh.

Yes I am a Fiat supporter, I love fiats and i own a couple of them.
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DRC:

That is a long list. And it makes me angry too. How does Fiat expect to improve sales with such dumb service? BTW, You go to Sundaram?

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Much respect. Though I am not a Floyd fan, I am more of a Led Zep and GnR fan. Nice post. Right now, me and my car or on that Stairway to Heaven. After the running in it will be 'Get in the Ring' with Accents. No offence, I am kidding.
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The Fiat india management is hopeless or has too much of constraints with the budget. Hopefully those, who left the company, would not sneak into Hyundai or Maruti. Scary thought, isnt it?

I own a Fiat car and I am loving it, but Fiat India's future looks all bleak. (I knew it even when I bought the car. I can't resist that machine. )

I would not blame GTO for being a soothsayer, albeit with a not-so-soothing forecast. But I still feel, that are chances of revival. Fortunately or unfortunately, automobile companies don't close their shops overnight like software companies.
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PSP62IN,

I honestly dont think you are aware, but I am a moderately successful 28 year old entrepreneur heading a team of 40 people in 3 offices. As such, I couldnt care less about commissions.

Secondly, I have placed my arguments on facts and backed them up with articles from the Economic Times etc. Why dont you state arguments based on facts versus biased opinions? Truth tellers dont need commissions pal...its the other segment that does!

Lastly, I think we need to use the left part of the brain here. Ponder on this for a brief moment : Do you even think that Fiat is competition enough for Maruti/Hyundai/Tata to pay commissions toward bad mouthing Fiat? Do you think that "10,000+ cars a month sellers" could care anyless about a dying competitor which is barely managing 200 cars (Feb 2005 - Fiat sales figures).

IMHO Fiat by itself is doing a splendid job of botching its image...it really does not need external contribution.

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I own a Fiat car and I am loving it, but Fiat India's future looks all bleak. (I knew it even when I bought the car. I can't resist that machine. )
Same case with me. Though I am kind of hoping some one with better brains takes over the management of the company. As I have mentioned earlier, it is a crime to let such good products go to waste.
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