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Old 25th November 2008, 10:13   #106
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I agree with Aseem. In fact, Honda wanted to get over with their underpowered NHC and put a 118bhp one and still people are not happy. Fiat is doing the same mistake if they don't launch the 1.4 T-jet. People might be okay with the 90bhp diesel as diesel sell in India for a different reason altogether.
i would just like to ask how many buyers were there for NHC Vtec when 1.4 ltr underpowered engine was selling along with it? 90% of sales of NHC came from selling these underpowered engines w/o abs and i would also like to add they sold it at a premium.
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externally it looks great, but the interiors are looking a generation old already.
I guess you are talking about Palio!
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They probably wont give the nice looking alloy wheels in lower models,
Really? Does other Car makers give Alloys in lower models?
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nor would ABS/Airbags be standard as Honda.
ABS & dual Airbags are standard across all models in Linea.
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All in all a half hearted attempt to regain their market share. This is not going to bring them back in Indian scene. The point is, half hearted attempts dont work.
That is your personal view, and you are entitled to it.
Now, let the people decide!
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No the one posted by Mr.Zak the Mullah

The Diesel is going to be a very frugal unit, it's got 90bhp variable size turbo , on the other hand the petrol is a 1.4Naturally Aspirated(NOT THE T-jet) unit which develops 94.2PS at a high rpm and sounds racy, the power was okay to say the least.The Diesel is a Multijet.The Petrol is the F I R E engine.

And the car dosen't come with Dualogic as of now. But the Greatest News I got Today is a reconformation from my general manager about the Spare Parts prices for the Linea , which will be cheaper than most Marutis and Service intervel is between every 15,000km . The Car's Pricing Is going to be Unbelivable to say the least. Everyone keep their fingers crossed and buying decisions at bay , wait till the Linea is here.

Fiat Trivia

Fiat Invented CRDi Christened Multijet and sold it to Bosch, and the first diesel car in the world the 1400 and the first Monocoque Chassis the 1400 again in 1950 was by Fiat.

Because Fiat has always been the Inventor Not the Follower.
Thanks Muneemmk for all the information. I'm very disappointed that dualogic is not coming. Well I'm going to live with the manual. 15Mm service period is great. I hate going to service station often (almost every 4 or 5 months in my Indica days).

Zak mentioned R15 wheels. Won't there be any options for the rim size? I would want a minimum of R16, if not that optional R17 in other markets.

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Dont get me wrong I appreciate Fiat India launching Linea. The only point is why cry that this is going to be VFM pricing, when this car deserves nothing but a VFM sticker, its got an average engine for its size, petrol engine is a joke (I have a feeling they would price petrol low and say its VFM and overprice the diesel like Logan), externally it looks great, but the interiors are looking a generation old already. They probably wont give the nice looking alloy wheels in lower models, nor would ABS/Airbags be standard as Honda. All in all a half hearted attempt to regain their market share. This is not going to bring them back in Indian scene. The point is, half hearted attempts dont work.
If they had bought the 120 bhp motor and price it at 8 Lakhs, you would have seen many takers.
95bhp petrol is not a joke. It is not great, but decent comparatively. 120bhp T-jet with 206Nm torque 0-100 in 9.8 secs, below 8 lakhs, again not a realistic dream. I would buy 120 bhp T-jet even at the same price as the 90bhp diesel. Anyway, 120bhp T-jet is ruled out. And so is 1.6MJD. So, I'm not going to grieve over it again and again

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95bhp petrol is not a joke. It is not great, but decent comparatively. 120bhp T-jet with 206Nm torque 0-100 in 9.8 secs, below 8 lakhs, again not a realistic dream. I would buy 120 bhp T-jet even at the same price as the 90bhp diesel. Anyway, 120bhp T-jet is ruled out. And so is 1.6MJD. So, I'm not going to grieve over it again and again
95 BHP for the car of its weight is not a good thing to have either. 120 bhp motor at 8 lakhs is not wishful thinking, we have ANHC with 118 ps iVtec begining at 7.7 lakhs ex showroom. Not to forget its the Honda badge with premium pricing, Fiat definitely can give a Tjet in the price as they definitely cant charge a premium for their brand.
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Such half hearted attempts (spcly 77 bhp petrol) probably will not do company great good.
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petrol engine is a joke
It's 94.5ps from people in the know.

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the interiors are looking a generation old already. They probably wont give the nice looking alloy wheels in lower models, nor would ABS/Airbags be standard as Honda
Assumptions! Thats' a long list of assumptions. None of us have seen the car yet. How can you decide on these things already? By the way, what do you feel about the ANHC interiors?

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reconformation from my general manager about the Spare Parts prices for the Linea , which will be cheaper than most Marutis
With 55% local content?
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All in all a half hearted attempt to regain their market share. This is not going to bring them back in Indian scene. The point is, half hearted attempts dont work.
If they had bought the 120 bhp motor and price it at 8 Lakhs, you would have seen many takers.
Dude, i don't see why you are saying it is half-hearted. I have seen the UTV video, i have read the autocar roadtest and i am impressed with it. It gives a reasonably peppy performance in the city, it comes pretty well loaded and looks good internal and external. What are you comparing it with?

>NHC came on road above 8L had a 77bhp petrol engine, and it was the biggest success for Honda in India.
> Skoda Octavia, which is around 12L on road doesn't have same equipment levels, has the same 90bhp, and is Autocar is right not as refined as the Multijet VGT diesel!!

What are we missing?

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What the enthusiasts wants and what the people who buy cars want are different. When people (enthusiasts !) were disappointed with previous City, Honda were very happy since they could sell so many.
Only time will tell if people see VFM and buy Linea.
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The linea won't have a very good 0-100 time. But I think it is being boiled up too much, and besides 15 seconds doesnt mean that it is a dead horse....At the end of the day, how many of us will try to test the 0-100 timings in our car. Its all about the feel of the car....
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95 BHP for the car of its weight is not a good thing to have either. 120 bhp motor at 8 lakhs is not wishful thinking, we have ANHC with 118 ps iVtec begining at 7.7 lakhs ex showroom. Not to forget its the Honda badge with premium pricing, Fiat definitely can give a Tjet in the price as they definitely cant charge a premium for their brand.
Sorry, I didn't mean the base model when I spoke about 8L. Anyways, 120bhp T-jet is not comparable to 118bhp Honda because of the inherent 206Nm right from 1750rpm. It will put even Civic, Corolla, Altis to shame in 0-100 or any acceleration. Moreover, we can enjoy the surge of power in everyday commute as it is available at the lower rpm itself. I would pay a premium price, that equals the diesel price.

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Sorry, I didn't mean the base model when I spoke about 8L. Anyways, 120bhp T-jet is not comparable to 118bhp Honda because of the inherent 206Nm right from 1750rpm. It will put even Civic, Corolla, Altis to shame in 0-100 or any acceleration.


Really 206Nm in that rpm is really awesome...
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Sorry, I didn't mean the base model when I spoke about 8L. Anyways, 120bhp T-jet is not comparable to 118bhp Honda because of the inherent 206Nm right from 1750rpm. It will put even Civic, Corolla, Altis to shame in 0-100 or any acceleration. Moreover, we can enjoy the surge of power in everyday commute as it is available at the lower rpm itself. I would pay a premium price, that equals the diesel price.
i think above figures of 206Nm Torque @1750rpm are of 1.3 ltr 90 bhp diesel engine and not of T-Jet Petrol.
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i think above figures of 206Nm Torque @1750rpm are of 1.3 ltr 90 bhp diesel engine and not of T-Jet Petrol.
90 bhp 1.3 MJD (1.248 L) has 200 Nm at 1750 rpm while 1368cc T-jet (1.4 L) has 206 Nm at 1750 rpm.
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right! here's something interesting i found on Fiat Linea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Model[2]EngineDisplacementPowerTorque0-100 km/h,sTop speed1.4 - 8vI41368 cc77 PS (76 hp/57 kW) @ 6000 rpm115 Nm (85 lbft) @3000 rpm14.6165 km/h (103 mph)1.4 16v T-JetI41368 cc120 PS (118 hp/88 kW) @ 5000 rpm206 Nm (152 lbft) @1750 rpm9.2195 km/h (121 mph)1.3 Multijet 16vI41248 cc90 PS (89 hp/66 kW) @ 4000 rpm200 Nm (148 lbft) @1750 rpm13.8170 km/h (106 mph)1.9 16v FlexI41839 cc134 PS (132 hp/99 kW) @ 5750 rpm183 Nm (135 lbft) @4500 rpm10.5188 km/h (117 mph)1.4 16v T-JetI41368 cc154 PS (152 hp/113 kW) @ 5500 rpm207 Nm (153 lbft) @2250 rpm8.5203 km/h (126 mph)

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Just came across this article

"In order to achieve that success, it has partnered with Tata Motors for sales and service channels. To be priced at around 7 lakh rupees, the Linea is expected pave the way for Grande Punto, Fiat's premium offering that will drive into India next year."

Source: CNBC-TV18, 2008, "Fiat to beat auto blues with Linea"

Published on Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 16:10 , Updated at Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 18:38

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Moneycontrol >> News >> Business >> Fiat to beat auto blues with Linea
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1368cc T-jet (1.4 L) has 206 Nm at 1750 rpm.
IIRC this must be the 16V model with turbo. The engine will be made at Ranjangaon in 8V configuration too, probably for the Indigo-Vista.
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