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Old 26th November 2013, 12:50   #886
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Is it that the Karnataka High Court judgement is null and void now? that a person can drive a out of station car in the state of Karnataka for a period of 11 months without registering it in KA??

Suppose if a person is staying in Bangalore and has a out of station car and he travels frequently to the town where the car is registered, and on being stopped by the RTO in Bangalore can provide valid toll receipts of his journey back to Bangalore, would he also have to pay road tax? since as per my interpretation of the judgement the period of 11 months start from the date when he returned from the home state. please correct me if i am wrong.
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RTO has started to enter housing complexes and paste notices on cars, with out-of-state registration, asking them to pay the Karnataka road tax. As long as car remains in the compound, they cannot seize it. Once it comes on the road, it will be a different story.

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Curiously, they say that no NOC is required. If you do not have NOC , you cannot get a refund of the road tax when you move out of the state.

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Is it that the Karnataka High Court judgement is null and void now? that a person can drive a out of station car in the state of Karnataka for a period of 11 months without registering it in KA??

Suppose if a person is staying in Bangalore and has a out of station car and he travels frequently to the town where the car is registered, and on being stopped by the RTO in Bangalore can provide valid toll receipts of his journey back to Bangalore, would he also have to pay road tax? since as per my interpretation of the judgement the period of 11 months start from the date when he returned from the home state. please correct me if i am wrong.

A person can drive an outstation car in any state without paying road tax for a period of 11 months or so.

I have friend who periodically gets the petrol bills from his home town by post to show that he just came to Bangalore recently and he is exempted from paying the road tax as of that period. But now these police are getting smarter. They keep a note on the outstation cars plying in the city regularly and once they are sure that this is no tourist or a visitor from other state on a brief visit, but a resident of Bangalore using his outstation registered car here, then they serve the notice.

But in the present police drive, they may serve the notice to all out station registered cars and it is the onus of the car owner with what ever docs, bills, service records that he indeed is a temporary visitor to the city and not plying his car in Bangalore permanently.

I am driving a Karnataka registered car in Goa since last 5 years without any issue
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This is not Police Drive, its from RTO. Police cannot fine or size outstation vehicles for not paying Tax, its only RTO who can do it.
I stand corrected. I meant RTO not the police. It was a slip of my mind .

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They can certainly cheat the cops, how about themselves? Are they doing the right thing. The problem with our country is we have the law however enforcement is lacking and such people are contributing to that!
Interesting. I can give you a number of instances when a common man did the right thing not to go against his conscience and was at the receiving end of the state / police / administration. Read this thread where in some one did the right thing but ended up paying fine in the court for not doing any mistake.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travel...e-kayak-3.html (Going solo at 5 kmph - Mumbai to Goa in an inflatable kayak!)

I am not saying that one should cheat. that would be wrong. I am saying we are not having a uniform structure across the whole country and some mechanism to make this whole process a lesser pain in the ***. See if there is a simpler, single window, online process to get some of these stuffs done, I am sure no one would resort to bend the rules. Just to say. my friend tried to get a NOC from some north state to bring his bike to Goa. It was tangled in a administrative mess for one year. finally he sold his bike there and purchased a new one here and now he is planning to relocate. God save him again.

People do have conscience and it is not with Joy that some one does this bending the rules. you should understand the desperation and pain they sometime undergo and still be at the receiving end and not get things done.

and finally as you said -The problem with our country is we have the law however enforcement is lacking and such people are contributing to that, -- I would say Yatha Raja Thatha Praja

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But in the present police drive, they may serve the notice to all out station registered cars and it is the onus of the car owner with what ever docs, bills, service records that he indeed is a temporary visitor to the city and not plying his car in Bangalore permanently.
This is not Police Drive, its from RTO. Police cannot fine or size outstation vehicles for not paying Tax, its only RTO who can do it.
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I have friend who periodically gets the petrol bills from his home town by post to show that he just came to Bangalore recently and he is exempted from paying the road tax as of that period. But now these police are getting smarter.
They can certainly cheat the cops, how about themselves? Are they doing the right thing. The problem with our country is we have the law however enforcement is lacking and such people are contributing to that!
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On one hand, you are quoting the law

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A person can drive an outstation car in any state without paying road tax for a period of 11 months or so.
and yet you are breaking the law

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I am driving a Karnataka registered car in Goa since last 5 years without any issue
The Karnataka motor rules states one month but the RTO tend to give a long rope on this timeline. They look into the stickers on your car (work/ residence) before charge sheeting you.
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Yes, people who are avoiding paying taxes are not entitled to demand for better roads and complain about the traffic situation. Now, whether the roads get better or not is another matter.
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RTO has started to enter housing complexes and paste notices on cars, with out-of-state registration, asking them to pay the Karnataka road tax. As long as car remains in the compound, they cannot seize it. Once it comes on the road, it will be a different story.

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Curiously, they say that no NOC is required. If you do not have NOC , you cannot get a refund of the road tax when you move out of the state.

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The car seems to have a Bihar registration, which makes the "in town for a visit" reason quite implausible to anyone. The checks as usual happen only where the owners are considered easy prey. Anyway, I guess if you work in Bangalore and bought and brought a car from your home state, you deserve to be caught one day,.

If you pay KA road tax, you can apply for registration later and then selling you car becomes a lot easier. You might lose your homestate taxes, but , you were pushing your luck in the first place.
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A guy in my friends apartment drives a Pondicherry registered vento but instead of using the Pondicherry plates he has replaced it with KA registration plates that he made at a local shop. He's been doing this for about a year according to my friend, he's never been stopped and checked.

How can the cops stop this kind of anarchy?
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On one hand, you are quoting the law



and yet you are breaking the law



The Karnataka motor rules states one month but the RTO tend to give a long rope on this timeline. They look into the stickers on your car (work/ residence) before charge sheeting you.
How am I breaking the law as I stay both at Bangalore and Goa. I have a house at Both places and shuttle between. I may stay in Goa for a few months and then at Blr for say a month ( definitely lesser period than Goa). So are you suggesting that I keep 2 cars at 2 states and shuttle in the Volvo ??

May be I was wrong in not putting my position clearly in my earlier post. But I am astounded when some one says YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW !!. Pray if I may ask you, have you ever in your life jumped a red light, over taken from left side, crossed / overtaken in a no over taking zone, stepped on the zebra crossing at a signal?, honked when there is a No honk signal, broken speed limits..the list can go on and on.. If some one has never broken a single law in his life, I am willing to accept and say sorry, but other wise I say such words are pretty strong, and insuniating.

Now some one dont tell me they are small issues and it happens in every day life. If one stands by abiding the law, it is following law in every incidence. otherwise dont use such words

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May be I was wrong in not putting my position clearly in my earlier post. But I am astounded when some one says YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW !!.
That's what it looked like until you explained, the impression was that you had moved to Goa.

I do see your point, the same problem occurs with Bangalore/ Hosur, NCR region. it even happens in the US, Oregon is tax free whereas Washington is not - they merely decide based on where one actually lives.

Frankly, the LTT tax needs to be reviewed. it all starts with proper respect and enforcement of the what is reasonable laws.
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I do NOT think it's the problem with paying taxes and abiding with the law that stops people from re-registering their cars, but the problems in getting these refunded from the previous state. I for one have been in 3 different states in the last 2 years, I can ONLY think of the amount I would have paid in these two years, 2 of these locations being in the most expensive road taxes region.

If the refund system is as good as the payment system, I would NOT mind re-registering the car a 100 times, but expecting me to suffer because the system is lame is simply beyond imagination.

Just curious - how many people were able to get a refund and time taken from Karnataka RTO when they registered their KA vehicles in another state?
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I am of the opinion that such a scheme needs a complete change. I am not sure weather the judgment has been challenged in the supreme court or not. Tax and re-registration is a troublesome game when it comes to approaching a RTO office. I am certain that most of us have seen the functioning of the system when we have approached the office for our learner's licence and renewal to a permament licence.

Can we not have a vehicle number portability scheme similar to mobile phones. We are Indians and why tax rules and enforcement differ from state to state in India. Suppose, If a person has a specific number (like 0001 or so on) which he has bought through an auction and then suddenly realizes that he has been transferred to another state. His hard earned money and his passion goes for a toss.

It is very important that the government agencies and regulators realize the problems and financial burden that a common man faces when he is asked to approach these offices for paying taxes and getting refunds from the home state. Why can't one state ask the other state to pay the tax they had already collected from a particular vehicle at the time of first registration?

A few major challenges a person faces while shifting his house is like finding a new house, new gas connections, children school admission, new proof of address, transfer of bank accounts and the list continues. The least an RTO office can do is make a note of the person's presence in the state and inform the original registering authority. No additional Tax please.

The entire system should be made central and access to database should be made available to all agencies for any kind of need that arises.
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Ideally, there should be provision of paying 1 year tax. So if you move frequently, you do not have to keep paying taxes here and there.
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Given to understand the GST has a provision which states uniform tax rates across all states (Please correct me if i am wrong) which i think will resolve the road tax issue.
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