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Old 30th December 2013, 11:37   #976
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Once you get the KA number, evidence the same and apply for refund of road tax from your home state (Pray that you are lucky to get a refund).
Off Track but for folks facing RTO hurdles in Kerala, some hope -

http://www.newindianexpress.com/maga...cle1916057.ece

Heard that Rishiraj Singh has given out his own number to the public for any grievance /instances of corruption at the RTO offices.
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I would suggest that you apply for NOC and once you get the NOC, then apply for KA number and pay the tax. Once you get the KA number, evidence the same and apply for refund of road tax from your home state (Pray that you are lucky to get a refund).

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Just a small doubt. Does the registration have to be changed to a KA number because I thought there is a provision of paying tax in the respective state & retaining the existing registration number.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Just a small doubt. Does the registration have to be changed to a KA number because I thought there is a provision of paying tax in the respective state & retaining the existing registration number.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
As far as I know, one has to get a new number if you're staying in a place for more than a year. No tax for 30 days, some tax for 2 months to 1 year and beyond that new number.
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Just a small doubt. Does the registration have to be changed to a KA number because I thought there is a provision of paying tax in the respective state & retaining the existing registration number.

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As far as I know, one has to get a new number if you're staying in a place for more than a year. No tax for 30 days, some tax for 2 months to 1 year and beyond that new number.
No. It is fine and legal as long as we pay up KA road tax and carry the receipt. The road tax amount depends on the age of the car, and the same number plate can be retained.
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No. It is fine and legal as long as we pay up KA road tax and carry the receipt. The road tax amount depends on the age of the car, and the same number plate can be retained.

I have asked this question multiple times but never got the answer.

What is the depreciation calculation used by RTO. Also if we can have some example calculations here, it will be of great help!

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Part A5
[See Section 3(1)]

Lifetime Tax for Motor Cars, Jeeps, Omni Buses and Private Service Vehicles
Sl. No.
Class of vehicles
Motor cars, Jeeps, Omni Buses and Private Service Vehicles having floor area upto 5 Sq.Mtrs, cost of which does not exceed Rs.5 Lakhs
Motor cars, Jeeps, Omni Buses and Private Service Vehicles having floor area upto 5 Sq.Mtrs, cost of which exceeds Rs.5 Lakhs but not exceeding Rs.10 Lakhs
Motor cars, Jeeps, Omni Buses and Private Service Vehicles having floor area upto 5 Sq.Mtrs, cost of which exceeds Rs.10 Lakhs
A.
At the time of Registration of New Vehicles.
12 Percent of cost of the vehicle.
13 percent of the cost of the vehicle.
16 percent of the cost of the vehicle.
B.
If the vehicle is already registered and its age from the month of Registration is :
Percentage of the life time tax levied under Clause A
Percentage of the life time tax levied under Clause A
Percentage of the life time tax levied under Clause A
1.
Not more than 2 years
93%
93%
93%
2.
More than 2 years but not more than 3 years
87%
87%
87%
3.
More than 3 years but not more than 4 years
81%
81%
81%
4.
More than 4 years but not more than 5 years
75%
75%
75%
5.
More than 5 years but not more than 6 years
69%
69%
69%
6.
More than 6 years but not more than 7 years
64%
64%
64%
7.
More than 7 years but not more than 8 years
59%
59%
59%
8.
More than 8 years but not more than 9 years
54%
54%
54%
9.
More than 9 years but not more than 10 years
49%
49%
49%
10.
More than 10 years but not more than 11 years
45%
45%
45%
11.
More than 11 years but not more than 12 years
41%
41%
41%
12.
More than 12 years but not more than 13 years
37%
37%
37%
13.
More than 13 years but not more than 14 years
33%
33%
33%
14.
More than 14 years but not more than 15 years
29%
29%
29%
15.
More than 15 years
25%
25%
25%



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Just broadly categorised the vehicle usage by travellers into 3

1) Vehicle used by a person from a different State & working permanently in another State [3-5 years or more]

2) Vehicle used by a person working for a short term in a state [0-6 months or upto 11 months] and keep moving between states.

3)Vehicle used by a person who occassionally travel to a state as part of a vaccation/business visit or so
[1 day - 1 week - 1 month]

Don't we think it's pretty much unfair for any state RTO to consider all the aforementioned category of vehicles equally and tax all of them alike since no state is self sufficient & people keep travelling across places for various reasons.

Furthermore, think about the situation if all the states in India starts fining non-residing vehicles like how Karnataka does currently.Everyone would feel the pinch of it.

Giving due respect to all everyone's views, my humble suggestion would be to have a proper taxing/claiming process in place & fining someone with valid proof [proof of existence in state for more than 11 months] rather than the RTO's tearing toll reciepts etc just because the treasury has to be filled which cannot be justified under any circumstance in any state.

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Just a small doubt. Does the registration have to be changed to a KA number because I thought there is a provision of paying tax in the respective state & retaining the existing registration number.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Technically you need to get the KA number. Only with KA number can you evidence that the car has moved to claim refund of road tax from the previous state.


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No. It is fine and legal as long as we pay up KA road tax and carry the receipt. The road tax amount depends on the age of the car, and the same number plate can be retained.
Actually, the very reason that you need to re-register the car to the new state is because you can be traced if there is an offence. You pay the tax to get the registration number and ply on public roads. The authorities just turn a blind eye if you produce the receipt, but it does not mean that this is the correct process.

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This method of taxation is flawed. When the usage pattern is different, how can everyone be taxed equally?

Theres a huge population of people who buy cars for the sake of their "Image" in society, they don't often travel by road. Then theres another set who use the car to only travel between work and home.

Why should these people be taxed at par with everyone else?

IMO they should formulate a policy to levy tax based on usage while keeping a base rate across the country. Balance requirement should be collected as Tax on Fuel prices. Apart from that, they could further levy congestion charges on commuters within certain parts of the city.

But all this is in the ideal world, not where the ministers will go to China (then America, then Europe, then Japan) on a months vacation with family and call it a "Study Tour" to learn about roads!

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Technically you need to get the KA number. Only with KA number can you evidence that the car has moved to claim refund of road tax from the previous state.
Not really. You can claim refund with just the receipt too. That is what I have heard.

Have you been through this process for being so sure?

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Actually, the very reason that you need to re-register the car to the new state is because you can be traced if there is an offence. You pay the tax to get the registration number and ply on public roads. The authorities just turn a blind eye if you produce the receipt, but it does not mean that this is the correct process.

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Any car can be traced with the registration number if necessary. What makes you think that only vehicles from a particular region plying with the same region nameplates can only be traced?

Paying just the road tax of another region is also not a wrong process. Re - registration is optional and the decision is solely taken by the car owner.
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Not really. You can claim refund with just the receipt too. That is what I have heard.

Have you been through this process for being so sure?
When I payed the road tax in bangalore for my AP registered two-wheeler, I was informed that only if I get a KA registration number, I will be eligible for a refund later.
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When I payed the road tax in bangalore for my AP registered two-wheeler, I was informed that only if I get a KA registration number, I will be eligible for a refund later.
Thanks for the info, informed by who? Would be logical if it was from the AP RTO.
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Not really. You can claim refund with just the receipt too. That is what I have heard.
Have you been through this process for being so sure?
Well, you have heard wrong. Even when a process is complete it is a challenge to get a refund. Documentation wise the process of movement is complete, only when the new number is allotted.

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Any car can be traced with the registration number if necessary. What makes you think that only vehicles from a particular region plying with the same region nameplates can only be traced?
Sure, no dispute. But then, why would the authorities chase people all over the country to recover a Rs. 100 traffic violation. The cost of recovery would be more than the fine. You will see cops regularly stopping cars at traffic signals recovering fines, people do not seem to have developed the habit of voluntarily going to the centers to pay the fine, as soon as they get a notice.

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Paying just the road tax of another region is also not a wrong process. Re - registration is optional and the decision is solely taken by the car owner.
This a State subject backed by a High Court order. There is no question of discretion by the owner. Either you are compliant with the law or not

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Thanks for the info, informed by who? Would be logical if it was from the AP RTO.
If you see my signature, you will notice I own some vintage cars. Believe me, when one has had ownership of vintage cars, where one has to recover RC Books, get them updated do the transfer, complete Fitness etc., you have have some experience in such matters.

Lastly, you have the option of going to the RTO and checking this for yourself

Happy 2014

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What is the depreciation calculation used by RTO. Also if we can have some example calculations here, it will be of great help!

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If the vehicle is already registered and its age from the month of Registration is :
Percentage of the life time tax levied under Clause A
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93%
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I paid tax for my car yesterday. The road tax percentage is 14%. Depreciation is calculated as per the table posted earlier. BUT one thing that is not mentioned in most threads is the cess. Apart from the 14% tax calculated on the depreciated value of the car, you will have to pay 11% cess on the tax amount. So for example, if your tax amount is Rs 10000, then you will have to pay an additional Rs 1100 as cess. Please factor this in while calculating your tax liability.
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Thanks for the info.

So for my 2007 ALTO it comes to about 30K of Tax

Value of Car Rs. 3Lakhs
Tax @ 13% Rs. 39000
Tax after charging Depreciation Rs. 24960
Cess Rs. 2745
Total Payable = Rs. 27705

Can anyone guide on how to apply for Tax Refund from Kolkata RTO?

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