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Old 6th January 2009, 13:58   #361
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Hi,

Sorry if this is slightly offtopic. If the govt gives tax sops for engines less than 1200CC, then how come the swift with 1300CC is much cheaper? or is it like the govt changed policies after the launch of swift?

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If the govt gives tax sops for engines less than 1200CC, then how come the swift with 1300CC is much cheaper? or is it like the govt changed policies after the launch of swift?
The government has not changed any rule as of now. Each and every car maker has its own pricing strategy and also price is affected by many reasons. Hyundai cars specially the I series are expensive than Maurti cars and in fact I10 and I20 are replacements for Santro and Getz internationally. Here the manufacturer has to price accordingly to leave space between the earlier generation cars.

Pricing, is a complicated matter and depends on many, many varied aspects.

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Old 6th January 2009, 14:15   #363
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There are many many people in Indian metros who travel 20-50km to their workplace on daily basis without big luggage.

They can easily afford sedan or expensive cars but Great Indian traffic + parking problem gives them a headache.

If they go for small cars alto , santro , wagon R then they have to sacrifice on the image part. Also these kind of small hatches do not offer all the gizmoz's that a normal higher level sedan offers.

For these people , they do not need 0-100 seconds spec , but for them mileage definitely matters as majority of the time will be spent in band of 20 - 40 Km/Hr thanks to traffic , road conditions.

For such kind of customers Fabia was the only option which is horribally overpriced , and whose engine refinement is better than TaFFE tractor engine.


i20 is coming as answer for this problem. If this car would have Honda/ toyota batch then it can be instant hit.

This car can even sell with 1.2 ltr engine , but problem will be the Hyundai badge.

So 1.2 ltr engine is not problem , hyundai not being a premium is a problem.
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This car can even sell with 1.2 ltr engine , but problem will be the Hyundai badge.

So 1.2 ltr engine is not problem , hyundai not being a premium is a problem.
This was Hyundai's problem in US too. But thats surely changing, especially after they have come up with the Sonata, Santa Fe, Entourage, their Alabama plant, warranty etc.

After all "Badges" are for scouts.... aren't they?
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There are many many people in Indian metros who travel 20-50km to their workplace on daily basis without big luggage.

They can easily afford sedan or expensive cars but Great Indian traffic + parking problem gives them a headache.

If they go for small cars alto , santro , wagon R then they have to sacrifice on the image part. Also these kind of small hatches do not offer all the gizmoz's that a normal higher level sedan offers.

For these people , they do not need 0-100 seconds spec , but for them mileage definitely matters as majority of the time will be spent in band of 20 - 40 Km/Hr thanks to traffic , road conditions.

For such kind of customers Fabia was the only option which is horribally overpriced , and whose engine refinement is better than TaFFE tractor engine.


i20 is coming as answer for this problem. If this car would have Honda/ toyota batch then it can be instant hit.

This car can even sell with 1.2 ltr engine , but problem will be the Hyundai badge.

So 1.2 ltr engine is not problem , hyundai not being a premium is a problem.
Yes that's somewhat even I was thinking and wanted to write down, you got it exactly right, And on top of it, I think people are complaining too much without having a Test drive of the car, just because its 1.2L 80bhp,but the real picture would only clear after the TD.

Also, who gets cooled glove box, electrical retractable ORVMs ( they are serious help for people like me who only use ORVM when parking in tight space, as generally I dont use left ORVM) , beige interiors, adjustable steering wheel ( even my NHC doesnt have telescopic adjustment ) and many other features in a hatchback. I think Hyundai is also commanding some premium for the exclusivity, and i20 Asta sounds perfect for people who wanted a better built car and with loads of features.

As hrishig mentioned who will really buy this car, I think 1 more category of people would really look forward buying are people who were considering Swift Zxi for features and not its engine.

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count me into that 1. The test drive I did wasn't so enticing that it would push me to book one (though the overall car+features were!), nor was it so bad that it would deter me from booking one. I'm seriously considering the white color

BTW - I don't think the engine capacity has anything to do with the perceived value of the car. If the same 1.2 had been developing even remotely close to 90 bhp akin to Honda's 1.2 i-VTEC, I'm sure nobody here would be complaining. I so wish Hyundai had installed CVVT (or VTVT as they call it here) in the kappa!
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You mean 1.5 i-VTEC and 115BHP?
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You mean 1.5 i-VTEC and 115BHP?
No. I mean 90 bhp 1198cc i-VTEC newly developed for the upcoming Jazz. It has already been launched in most parts of the world and will be launched in India as well.
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Ah ha! I didn't look up the Jazz's specs at all. My bad.
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I can't digest a big hatch being powered by a 1.2 L engine with a price tag of near 7 lakhs.
OK, using the same logic, will you be happier with a 1.2l 90bhp Honda Jazz?
The point I've been trying to make here is - we are going to get a number of big hatchbacks with 1.2l petrol engines because of the way government policy is. There's not much we or the manufacturer can do about it. At least we've started to get international level of kit in this category. And the i20 has a very impressive feature list. We should pat Hyundai on the back for that (BTW I hold no brief for them).
As I've said earlier in this thread, the only way I see around this issue is for companies like Honda and Hyundai to introduce sports versions with higher capacity engines for the enthusiast crowd. These cars will be priced on par with cars a category above and will sell in small numbers.

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@StarScream - because Honda charges a premium, you are expecting Hyundai also to charge a premium? Well they might like to think so - lets see how it works in practice (i think they have already seen it with Sonata though).

This doesn't mean that i support Honda in charging a premium. Like GTO mentioned, even Honda is feeling it in Civic sales.
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@StarScream - because Honda charges a premium, you are expecting Hyundai also to charge a premium? Well they might like to think so - lets see how it works in practice (i think they have already seen it with Sonata though).

This doesn't mean that i support Honda in charging a premium. Like GTO mentioned, even Honda is feeling it in Civic sales.
But why we do we think Hyundai is charging a premium? The top-end i20 has a very exhaustive feature list and I think you are paying for that. I'd like to see the feature list of the Indian Jazz - I can bet it will be priced similar to the i20 but with lesser features. Then, perhaps, the i20 will look like a good deal!
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OK, using the same logic, will you be happier with a 1.2l 90bhp Honda Jazz?
Whoa! You put me in a spot there . Let me point out that the Linea, a C segment premium'ish sedan, is also hitting the showrooms with a 1.3L. However, the power rating of 90 BHP hasn't got anyone (me included) complaining. To answer your question, I have as much a problem with the 1.2L engine as with the 80 HP rating. A premium hatch is supposed to be premium in every sense! What's the point if it offers sub-par highway performance?

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The point I've been trying to make here is - we are going to get a number of big hatchbacks with 1.2l petrol engines because of the way government policy is.
Sure. But that doesn't mean cars over 1.3L cannot be competitively priced (just ask M Swift). On the other hand, the i20 has shown us that even tax benefits do not relate to a competitive price.

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And price it at what? 8 lakhs? I am asking for a better engine at the same existing price.
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Sure. But that doesn't mean cars over 1.3L cannot be competitively priced (just ask M Swift). On the other hand, the i20 has shown us that even tax benefits do not relate to a competitive price.
Rightly said, GTO! i20 is overpriced by atleast Rs 50,000.
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I was excited for the i20 launch. All excitement got killed with no CRDI offered and petrol is overpriced.If we want this engine why not buy the i10 which IMO is a good car.
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