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Old 6th January 2009, 21:57   #271
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The ford fiesta comes with a 1.4L diesel engine giving out 68bhp and the Logan has a 1.5L diesel engine giving out 65bhp. These cars are not scorchers on the roads but have decent performance while giving exceptional economy. Let's not forget that these car's do sell in decent number.

The linea's engine is more powerful at 90bhp and the VGT will reduce turbo lag as well. I expect it to be a good performer in the segment.

Also does anyone remember how much bhp the huge skoda Octavia 1.9TDi put out. It's exactly 90bhp.
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Already 3 Lineas booked by TBHPians and that too a week before the official launch!

Congrats to all on your purchase!

I would probably booking my Emotion Diesel post a TD on the 14th of Jan!
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Old 6th January 2009, 22:40   #273
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My opinion on the recent launches...

ANHC - A "cheaply built" car with excellent engine (based on TD)
Linea and i20 - "Well built" cars with "cheap engines" (based on reports)
Ditto! Could not agree with you more. The Linea should have had the 120bHp, 16V, 1368cc T-Jet Petrol engine at least as an option. And Hyundai should have given us an option on the i20 for the 1.4, 100bHp engine, especially since the i20 is made in India - how difficult would it have been to have released it here. At least those that would have been willing to pay the price could have bought it.

ANHC - Another stripped down variant for the Indian market. Amonsgt others, no climate control, no alloys etc.

Why are we shortchanged - isn't our money good enough??? But then I am flogging a dead horse as a change anytime soon is quite bleak.

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Unfortunately, there is nothing like "well built car with good engine" .
You know what - maybe there is a "well built car with a good engine" but unfortunately we are just not getting it, even from Companies that are selling them elsewhere as such
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The ford fiesta comes with a 1.4L diesel engine giving out 68bhp and the Logan has a 1.5L diesel engine giving out 65bhp. These cars are not scorchers on the roads but have decent performance while giving exceptional economy. Let's not forget that these car's do sell in decent number.
The Logan sure surprised me on more than one occassion. Taking Easy/Meru cabs several times to/from the airport, it accelerates very fast at lower speeds, and I found the taxi moves easily at 120kmph - though I haven't driven it, as a passenger, it didn't feel slow practically.
On another note, I drove a rented (almost new) Passat for 3000km in Austria and Germany in 2005. It had a 1.6L petrol engine making 100-odd bhp (almost the same car as today's Passat from the model generation perspective). For such a heavy car, I could reach 200kmph on the Autobahn, and though it didn't feel extra quick (esp above 130-140kmph), it didn't feel that slow either. And through the high speeds, and hilly terrain, I got tripmeter indication of 7l/100km most of the time ! Now 90bhp for Linea is better than 100bhp for the Passat. So, a lot depends on torque curve and gearing - one cannot generalize beyond a point.

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The ford fiesta comes with a 1.4L diesel engine giving out 68bhp and the Logan has a 1.5L diesel engine giving out 65bhp. These cars are not scorchers on the roads but have decent performance while giving exceptional economy.
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The linea's engine is more powerful at 90bhp and the VGT will reduce turbo lag as well. I expect it to be a good performer in the segment.

Also does anyone remember how much bhp the huge skoda Octavia 1.9TDi put out. It's exactly 90bhp.
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The Logan sure surprised me on more than one occassion.
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though I haven't driven it, as a passenger, it didn't feel slow practically.
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So, a lot depends on torque curve and gearing - one cannot generalize beyond a point.
Absolutely true. Have driven the Fiesta Tdci extensively, both in the city and on the expressway - not once did I find it underpowered. Infact I quite enjoyed driving it, power is more than adequate.
I've also driven the Logan diesel a fair amount and the performance definitely didn't leave me wanting more.
While neither of them are tarmac scorchers, I certainly wasn't complaining.
The Octavia too, is accepted as a great car to drive & I on the few occasions I've driven one, I've been mighty impressed with the performance.
All these cars return fabulous mileage too, the icing on the cake!

I don't see any reason to doubt the capabilities of the Linea - especially based on numbers, without even driving it. I'm sure FIAT will strike the right balancebetween performance and fuel efficiency, they're here to stay and this is their chance to redeem themselves.
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Congrats!!! to all 3 of TBHPians for booking a Linea.

I saw this car at Fortune-Nerul Mumbai and really liked it. Alloys are optional i believe as the same was not provided in this Emotion variant.
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The car would be launched with 3 engines which includes the 90ps diesel , a 77ps 1.4 8-v petrol and a 120ps 1.4 16-v t-jet engine.Check out fiatlinea.co.in. which states the launch of linea in december and has a timer which has been stopped.
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The car would be launched with 3 engines which includes the 90ps diesel , a 77ps 1.4 8-v petrol and a 120ps 1.4 16-v t-jet engine.Check out fiatlinea.co.in. which states the launch of linea in december and has a timer which has been stopped.
We have discussed about that enough times here. That site was created by some squatter, and information found there is not true.
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The car would be launched with 3 engines which includes the 90ps diesel , a 77ps 1.4 8-v petrol and a 120ps 1.4 16-v t-jet engine.Check out fiatlinea.co.in. which states the launch of linea in december and has a timer which has been stopped.
why on earth would Fiat launch 120ps 1.4 16-v t-jet engine ? Its not honda to give performance along with amazing fuel efficiency on Indian roads.
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Lolz good sense of humor!
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@appuchan and @reignofchaos:

I find it interesting to hear that Linea at 90bhp is underpowered, unless you also consider Skoda Octavia TDi to be underpowered.
I agree 90 bhp is plenty but how much torque and at what rpm compared to Fiesta, Logan and Octy
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I agree 90 bhp is plenty but how much torque and at what rpm compared to Fiesta, Logan and Octy
Fiat Linea: 20.4kgm @ 1750rpm
Ford Fiesta TDCi: 16.3kgm @ 2000rpm
Mahindra Logan: 16.3kgm @ 2000rpm

Weight:
Fiat Linea: 1185kg
Ford Fiesta: 1150kg
Mahindra Logan:1140kg

By the looks of it on paper the Fiat is ahead.
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Fiat Linea: 20.4kgm @ 1750rpm
Ford Fiesta TDCi: 16.3kgm @ 2000rpm
Mahindra Logan: 16.3kgm @ 2000rpm

Weight:
Fiat Linea: 1185kg
Ford Fiesta: 1150kg
Mahindra Logan:1140kg

By the looks of it on paper the Fiat is ahead.
These are good details, but if some one can post the RPM range within which the usable torque is available, we will get a better picture.
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I have checked the performance figures of Linea Multijet against most other diesel cars - as given by ACI & Overdrive.

On all key performance parameters (0-100km,20-80 in 3rd,40-100 in 4th, standing 400m, and standing 1000m) Linea beats diesels of the like Fiesta D,Logan D,Innova D, and (a surprise, at least for me) a Scorpio 2.6.

Its very close to a Scorpio 2.2 mHawk on all these parameters, but the Octy has a slight edge over Linea in terms of performance. Cars like Optra Magnum & Verna beats it hands off except for 20-80/40-100 in gear numbers.

The numbers indicate that its clearly not underpowered, compared to many other cars and provides brilliant dirveability in city. But, if you are a boy racer, you are better off with an Optra or a Verna.

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3 Linea booked before official launch! that's a news..

Congrats friends!
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