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Old 16th January 2009, 22:31   #16
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Even today, Swift petrol has got generation old esteem engine (1985 built).
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Old 16th January 2009, 23:30   #17
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Its a very old story. In another forum I asked the same question how Indian Car Company are making us fool. Giving some old age technology, poor quality, old model. Any many more you can list on the paper.
Simple example you can compare Maruthi-GV Indian version with US Version.
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Its a very old story. In another forum I asked the same question how Indian Car Company are making us fool. Giving some old age technology, poor quality, old model. Any many more you can list on the paper.
Simple example you can compare Maruthi-GV Indian version with US Version.
I dont know about the difference in the quality/specs between Indian GV and US GV, but GV is so tough to find on US roads, even a Honda CRV isn't accepted as a decent soft roader.It is a real tough market, but if a car proves the mettle there, it is got to be real good. In India, the same car with all goodies removed will still be a premium offering
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Was Swift a facelift!?
Where have You been John!

+Rocky+

i think he was referring to the Dzire .
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Old 17th January 2009, 21:15   #20
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Default All New Honda City

Would also like to mention what all members have shared on other threads.

Honda fooling us with the new city by stripping off these features from the original Thailand launched car:

- Automatic Climate Control
- Turn Indicators
- Fog Lamps
- Quality Interiors

Did I forget anything?
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u mean turn indicators on the mirrors?
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Old 17th January 2009, 23:14   #22
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Our manufacturers are extremely smart and have played these tricks with engines and bodyshells since many years. We can only pity the ignorant buyers who fall prey to these tactics. the Zen Estilo was discontinued in Japan sometime in early 2006 and the toolings were brought here, the Wagon R engine of 1999 planted to it and VOW!!!!!
EUREKA !!! You have the Brand New Zen Estilo!
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why blame the manufacturer of making a fool of yourself? they are just making the vehicles, its you as a customer who makes a fool of your ownself!!
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Exactly. The localization takes time. Accent has been there for a long time of course localized much more than the Verna. So the price is down comparatively. Verna will be the same after 3 years and a new car will come. Where is the "fooling" here.

Some one needs auto industry lessons as well.
Well if that is true, why both Getz and i20 coexists? based on your logic i20 should have the same price as Getz as it is completed built in India
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why blame the manufacturer of making a fool of yourself? they are just making the vehicles, its you as a customer who makes a fool of your ownself!!
Well said. The day junta will stop buying the Santro, Hyundai wont have any option but to discontinue it. When a potential buyer walks into a Hyundai showroom for an i10, and the salesman sees that he's having 2nd thoughts of the price, he has an option to sell off then "cheaper by 30k" Santro to him.

So the manufacturers are here to do business. As long as the products are selling, they are making merry. All these comparisons with what the West is getting and all are insignificant.
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I dont see anybody making a fool out of themselves. there are early adopters who want to buy the latest product and the assosciated risks, and the early/late majority who would rather buy a mature product at a reduced price.A lot of buyers dont want the 'latest' in cars.THey just want a reasonably comfortable and effective means of transportation. As long as the manufacturer is selling something that does, they are happy. soft feel interior plastics, height adjustable seets, climate control, rear wipers etc dont matter much to them....

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In the end no manufacturer can fool the public for long. If one is doing it there's an option for others to stand up an provide better features @ good prices (and thereby capture the market)

But then again the equation is complex:

1) Arcane tax systems. We all know the heavy tax implications for cars, the implications on imports and the push towards smaller engines due to tax breaks
2) Relatively high running costs: India has higher running costs. Fuel is expensive in absolute and relative (earning potential) terms. Cant blame people for thinking about fuel efficiency as a top-notch priority.
3) Competition : if another manufacturer provides better cars at lower costs, then there's competition. We didn't see much of that around. Things are changing with more cars launched. Lets see what happens now.

In a way i am excited about Honda/Toyota launching smaller cars. It should change the landscape a bit.
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Our manufacturers are extremely smart and have played these tricks with engines and bodyshells since many years. We can only pity the ignorant buyers who fall prey to these tactics. the Zen Estilo was discontinued in Japan sometime in early 2006 and the toolings were brought here, the Wagon R engine of 1999 planted to it and VOW!!!!!
EUREKA !!! You have the Brand New Zen Estilo!
In this case the manufacturers have made a fool of themselves.
How many Zen estillo's do we see on the road.
They have made a complete waste of the Zen brand.
Instead of calling the A* an A* if they had launched it as the Zen, it would have sold like hot cakes. Now what they have is a stupid estillo that they have no choice but discontinue it and along with it goes the Zen brand.
And about A* sales. I dont think A* is currently selling enough numbers. The zen badge would have worked wonders for it. So who is losing here, MSIL! and they deserve it for thinking that customers will buy whatever they produce.

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I guess the newer generation is sold alongside the older ones because the dimensions of the newer models are almost always growing; taking the newer offering towards the next segment. If the civic was introduced to India in the 70s, Honda would have had a Civic to sell in many segments; though Honda wouldn't do that!
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@josepeter: not true. While we can definitely blame Honda for overpricing, we should admire that Honda/Toyota never did stunts like this. Honda replaced a huge market success NHC with ANHC. Toyota didn't keep the old Corolla priced 1 L down and when they introduced the new one. Same when the bought in Innova in place of Qualis.

Way to go Honda/Toyota.
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