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Honda City 1.5 iVtec 113 55.39%
Fiat Linea 1.4 Fire 91 44.61%
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Old 21st January 2009, 22:35   #166
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That's the accord Euro not the City.

Honda Accord Euro Interior | 2009, 2008

The city's boot does intrude into the boot area big time. Actually none of the Honda's including the Accord have the hydraulic struts for boot.

The Sonata has gas struts for boot and bonnet whereas Jetta has for the boot only.

Gas struts for a sedan is generally found on premium cars so it's quite surprising to see it on the Linea.
Oops! wrong pic sorry. Did a google image search in haste and didn't verify.
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Firstly, Sedici is a Fiat car.
Secondly, why Fiat should ask Suzuki when Fiat has world class transmission and gearbox of it own?
Well, don't want argue with. Its indeed Fiat designed (Giugiaro) but Japanese engineered. (the diesel engine is really good though !). Reason why everyone thought it would be unlike a Fiat for running costs.
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Old 21st January 2009, 22:41   #168
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But it is also little scary to know that you are sitting on a petrol tank.
Not sure if there are any instances where AHC caught fire and drivers suffered more becasue of this angle.
Yes, there was one in Delhi atleast & discussed on this forum too:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...onda-city.html (fire in a car in South Delhi...Honda City)
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Old 21st January 2009, 22:57   #169
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But it is also little scary to know that you are sitting on a petrol tank.
Not sure if there are any instances where AHC caught fire and drivers suffered more becasue of this angle.
In every other car the rear passengers are usually sitting on the fuel tank. Either front and rear does not make much difference.
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In the Linea 1.4 FIRE petrol engine, the accronym FIRE stands for "Fully Integrated Robotized Engine"
Just wondering why it is called FIRE and how this is different.
Its just that these engines are built on an automated (robotised) engine assembly line. Ignore the marketing hype, there's nothing really new about the FIRE concept, they've been using it for a very long time. They should've stuck to 'STARJet' - sounds way cooler


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The problem with Linea is poor driveability due to turbo lag and tall gearing which gives the feeling of being underpowered. In fact, if they throw out the VGT turbo and go back to the 75 bhp spec it will be better for them.
Err.. quite the opposite. There was no noticeable turbo lag, the power was quite linear. AND the gearing is definitely short (you need to use the 4th gear just to get past 100).

For anyone who shifts at <2k rpm - which a vast majority of the Indian public do - you won't really find it underpowered. If you're the high-revving type, look elsewhere. Most TDs have people driving at high revs and drawing conclusions when in day-to-day traffic you most likely wouldn't do so.


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The 1.4 T-Jet, (if launched, and if not detuned ) in India would leave the IVtec way behind in performance. According to the FIAT international site the T Jet Linea would do 0-100 in 9 secs. On the flip side, it will never give the FE of the iVtec. FIAT did a right thing in launching a non turbo engine here, considering the way Palio GTX fared.
Although FIAT themselves haven't mentioned any figures, I don't think it would be that bad compared to the VTEC. For one, turbo-charging always improves efficiency (performance tuning usually off-sets that), and two - its a smaller displacement engine.

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Well, don't want argue with. Its indeed Fiat designed (Giugiaro) but Japanese engineered. (the diesel engine is really good though !). Reason why everyone thought it would be unlike a Fiat for running costs.
Isn't the Giugiaro name associated only with car styling and not engine design?

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P.s: About the comparison, would have to agree with everyone else - Rating a car 2.5 on safety just because airbags are optional sounds a little incorrect. Usually there's much more that goes into a car in terms of safety than just airbags. And if someone doesn't pay for safety features, it certainly isn't the car's fault. The rest of the comparison seems fine.

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Not sure I agree with that. It was more because the average Indian car buyer is overly enamored about the Honda badge. Seriously.

I could have somewhat agreed with your logic if it was applied to the ANHC but definitely not to its 77 bhp predecessor.
Hallowed brand can get you 50% of the way. To be frank I did not like the NHC at all, and for that meter even OHC was never my kind of performance car. But you have to give it to Honda for the reliability and quality of the cars. Thats enabled them to build a very solid reputation.
Cars are not sold on just virtue of car itself, but also reputation and brand trust and image. This is something FIAT has to build up.
This is the biggest challenge to Fiat. Many people will dismiss linea without even driving it once because of past experiences.
And I am sure that if Fiat repeat any of the past mistakes, its curtains for them in India.
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Everytime I hear that its a VGT, it ends up having bad turbo lag. (Verna anyone?)
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But, I will disagree with you here, actually turbo lag is not noticeable in Linea coz of VGT, the power delivery is very linear, and so driveability is quite good.
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Err.. quite the opposite. There was no noticeable turbo lag, the power was quite linear.
For anyone who shifts at <2k rpm - which a vast majority of the Indian public do - you won't really find it underpowered.
Sure, probably suits your requirements. What I understand from other TDs, is that the turbo kicks in only at 2K.
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as per overdrive
Linea stops from 100km/hr in 40.71 Mt/2.98 sec and
City stops in 50.6 Mt/3.49s
so linea stops quicker with less distance and 10 Mt is Huge margin,
If this's true - this is a very significant factor. 10 mts seems a huge margin and could be the difference between life and death over highways!

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may that is the one of the reason City has Airbags for all the models..just kidding
too good
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Might be OT:

But here we go with FIAT Reply to the Honda City Ad. FIAT is getting aggressive with Ads after aggressive pricing. "Even While Standing Still, It's Miles Ahead"


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Looks gorgeous in this color. I seriously hope that Fiat launch it in the Fiery red in which the Optra is available or even Ferrari red would do.
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Old 22nd January 2009, 09:23   #176
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I still say FIAT should learn from Maruti & Huyndai on how to advertise and position their cars.

What FIAT should do is to emphasize its size and the VFM customers are getting. Looks are good, but we all know that customers in India don't care about it much - at least most do.

They should pull out a compilation of bigger cars like Octy (and how Linea falls in a class higher size wise), and emphasise on the superb mileage you get with the diesel and low running costs. thats what gets customers hooked here.
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The Linea looks gorgeous in this color.

I guess Fiat is trying to create more buzz. Immediate comparisons with the City/Octy/SX4 aint really going to work during the honeymoon period.

I can very well imagine a "Fill it shut it forget it" ad next to emphasize FE
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The next set of ad's must contain their service interval details & FE figures. As Skywalker mentioned they need to get lil more agressive in their marketing here. They can also mention that the Multijet engine has won quite a no. of awards .
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One of the biggest advantages of Linea is breaking power
as per overdrive
Linea stops from 100km/hr in 40.71 Mt/2.98 sec and
City stops in 50.6 Mt/3.49s
so linea stops quicker with less distance and 10 Mt is Huge margin,may that is the one of the reason City has Airbags for all the models..just kidding
but this is very important factor in vehicle safety.
I feel thats down to the tyres, with Linea have 195 rubber vs 175 stock for City.
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Lot has been said about new Honda City's exhorbitant price with E variant going at 7.5 Lakh ex showroom Delhi. Now the Vtec plus that came with Airbags, ABS, and Vtec head but non variable intake, costed 8.5 lakhs ex showroom. The things it had over the E model was fog lamps, stereo, alloys. Now all these three things combined dont cost over 1 lakh rupees. In addition the new iVtec is technically superior to the vtec of the previous generation. Therefore the new E model is competitively priced compared to the NHC Vtec at least.
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