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Honda City 1.5 iVtec 113 55.39%
Fiat Linea 1.4 Fire 91 44.61%
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Old 20th January 2009, 13:14   #61
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For the nth time, I dont think majority of Linea sales wont come from Linea Emotion Pack, therefore those who dont buy the pack wont get the safety features. However 100% of Honda City owners will get access to all the safety features.
That is completely immaterial from car point of view. If someone chooses not to go for these features to save money, you can't blame it on car.

At a given price point, if both cars are offering same safety features, then they ought to be rated the same. At different price points, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, but the logic looks flawed, if not biased.
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For the nth time, I dont think majority of Linea sales wont come from Linea Emotion Pack, therefore those who dont buy the pack wont get the safety features. However 100% of Honda City owners will get access to all the safety features.
and for the nth time - let me tell you your logic is totally flawed.
You should compare models across the same price range (and not based on your perceptions on who buys what) and both offers the same features there.
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Actually there is no reason to speculate. We have historical information. Only if Maruti discloses sales of SX4 VXi (without ABS/Airbags) vis a vis SX4 ZXi (with ABC/Airbags). I have reasons to believe that VXi sales are far greater than ZXi sales.

TBHPians go gaga over mention of ABS/Airbags. But how many actually buy variants with ABS/Airbags? Good that certain manufacturers have 'no options' when it comes to security . So its for those who have options on security.
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TBHPians go gaga over mention of ABS/Airbags. But how many actually buy variants with ABS/Airbags? Good that certain manufacturers have 'no options' when it comes to security . So its for those who have options on security.
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Isn't it only in the current generation they have made safety as standard? In the previous version, the safety options came much later. Also, you never know, they may introduce an entry level version of ANHC without ABS/Airbag in future
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Previous version was introduced in 2003 . Why compare 2003 car with 2007/2008/2009 cars?
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In the previous version, the safety options came much later.
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Isn't it only in the current generation they have made safety as standard? In the previous version, the safety options came much later. Also, you never know, they may introduce an entry level version of ANHC without ABS/Airbag in future
There is an interesting point. Honda might come with a cheaper version of City. May be they will shed ABS/Airbags to lower the price range. But if we see pricewise, Linea wins handsomely.
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For the nth time, I dont think majority of Linea sales wont come from Linea Emotion Pack, therefore those who dont buy the pack wont get the safety features. However 100% of Honda City owners will get access to all the safety features.
I agree with you on this. But, a comparison can't be definitive unless you include the price too. On this front, the ANHC may score 2 vs a 4.5 for Linea.

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Only if Maruti discloses sales of SX4 VXi (without ABS/Airbags) vis a vis SX4 ZXi (with ABC/Airbags). I have reasons to believe that VXi sales are far greater than ZXi sales.
Even without any sales figures I can bet that the Zxi sales would be miniscule compared to the Vxi figures.

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Good that certain manufacturers have 'no options' when it comes to security .
Ha ha. Till few months ago (late 2008), we had the same 'certain manufacturer' who did not have ABS or airbags on their C-seg sedans costing 8-9lakhs, while others had it even in their 5lakh hatches. Now that the 'certain manufacturer' has finally woken up (and so late at that), it is being trumpeted as if it is a big deal on safety front.
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I think calling Linea extremely underpowered is taking things too far. I have driven one and while it may not be fast, it certainly isnt underpowered.
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Even without any sales figures I can bet that the Zxi sales would be miniscule compared to the Vxi figures.
I think all of us will be surprised. I believe Zxi will be quite comparable to Vxi in the case of SX4.

Can we actually get some data on this ?
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Previous version was introduced in 2003 . Why compare 2003 car with 2007/2008/2009 cars?
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Till few months ago (late 2008), we had the same 'certain manufacturer' who did not have ABS or airbags on their C-seg sedans costing 8-9lakhs, while others had it even in their 5lakh hatches.
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I believe Zxi will be quite comparable to Vxi in the case of SX4. Can we actually get some data on this ?
For the SX4 you are right. Infact for the SX4, I believe the top-end Zxi outsells the VXi. But that is not the case with the Swift. Just a casual look at the Swifts on the road will make this amply clear.

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Previous version was introduced in 2003 . Why compare 2003 car with 2007/2008/2009 cars?
Might have been introduced in 2003, but was selling as recently as Dec-2008 - maybe some stocks are even being sold now. They did do a makeover with the City ZX, but still did not think it important to add safety features at that time. My point was just that there is nothing to gloat in about the ANHC having ABS or airbags in this day & age.
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May be an opinion poll would resolve this debate once and for all?
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Linea may look underpowered going by its spec sheet, but is it underpowered going by what the City (not the new Honda City) EXI and GXI have to offer?. People go to Chandigarh and from North to South India in a 800 and Omni.

Second: no manufacturer as a matter of course and as a regular update, provides variant wise sales. That includes Maruti, Toyota, GM, others, and of course Honda.
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May be an opinion poll would resolve this debate once and for all?
Poll regarding what ?


I see more SX4 ZXi when compared to the VXi. But of course it isnt the same case with the Swift (I love this exclusivity ). The problem in the Swift is that the ZXi has way too many extra features when compared with the VXi (Non-ABS). So the difference of around 1L is too much in a hatch segment. But to me the ZXi is extremely VFM when compared to the VXi.. for that's for some other thread.
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