Fiat: Tata Possible Partner In India - Team-BHP

hasopi · 22nd April 2005, 11:07

Guys..I am not bluffing...

see this:

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?do...eng.bnessitaly

(AGI) - Rome, Apr. 21 - According to the Mondadori weekly "Economy", Tata Motors could be the partner with whom Sergio Marchionne, Fiat managing director, is negotiating in India for a huge industrial agreement in the automobile sector. Old friends of the Agnelli family the owners of Tata Motors are industrial tycoons at the head of a conglomerate operating in many sectors: from industrial vehicles, components, aviation software, Tata Steel steelworks up to financing of tourism facilities, energy, chemistry, food industry and much more. The holding created in 1868 entered into the automobile sector in 1945, in 2003 it reached production quota 3 million and in 2004 purchased the industrial vehicles division of Daewoo. Now the holding is preparing to launch a super-economy car for 1,600 euro. Today Tata has a turnover of 15 billion dollars and about 220,000 employees.

typeOnegative · 22nd April 2005, 12:06

I hope this is not another false rumour. But yeah, Tata and Fiat may make a good partnership. Both suck equally at different things. LOL

RX135 · 22nd April 2005, 12:32

All talk and no show, that's the way Fiat goes.

RJK · 22nd April 2005, 14:02

Last week, a friend of mine working in ITC-Grand Maratha had told me that a couple of people from Fiat Italy had come to visit TATA factory. It got me wondering....

khanak · 22nd April 2005, 14:47

Does it make sense for TATA to enter into a partnership with FIAT? I dont think so. I think their product portfolio is quite similar and why would TATA want to create competiton for itself?

typeOnegative · 22nd April 2005, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by khanak

Does it make sense for TATA to enter into a partnership with FIAT? I dont think so. I think their product portfolio is quite similar and why would TATA want to create competiton for itself?

Prima facie I do not think they are creating competition for themselves. If they can earn money by selling Fiat cars then they might as well. Because I do not see any similarity between any of their cars. Yes the Petra Diesel might be a sore point. But otherwise the other Fiats are not in the same league as the Tata products.

Steeroid · 22nd April 2005, 14:56

Yaawn! Whats Fiat

?

Seriously, dont you guys think its time to say TATA to FIAT?

typeOnegative · 22nd April 2005, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Yaawn! Whats Fiat

?

Seriously, dont you guys think its time to say TATA to FIAT?

No. I disagree. I think there is a lot of potential in the cars if they are marketed and supported well. They seem to be better than a lot of their competitors.

Deeps · 22nd April 2005, 15:25

Ahhh, not another Fiat thread. Why give so much importance (bandwidth) to a manufacturer who doesn't give a damn about its customers?? Abt the topic on hand, i don't think its likely to happen. TATA are doing great as it is and probably would want to keep their distance from the bad image of Fiat.

Rtech · 22nd April 2005, 15:27

Quote:

TATA are doing great as it is and probably would want to keep their distance from the bad image of Fiat.

Exactly! Why would they want to associate themselves with a company that is in this much trouble?

Quote:

not another Fiat thread.

My thoughts too when I saw the title!!

serious_maniac · 22nd April 2005, 15:32

Another news regarding Tata's regarding the deal with Rover - "Tata Motors to pursue Rover guarantee"
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/apr/22tata.htm

"Tata Motors had entered into an arrangement with MG Rover in 2002 to export 100,000 Indica cars over a five-year period. The Indicas were supposed to hit European roads under the City Rover brand name.

According to the source, so far approximately 10,000 Indicas have been exported to MG Rover."

With some of parts and stock which could not be sold in UK, we might see some "Limited edition International" Indicas too...

~maniac

satish_appasani · 22nd April 2005, 16:56

Note from the Admin : Post Deleted. Watch your tone. Theres no need for personal attacks when a sensible issue is being discussed.

aadix · 22nd April 2005, 18:21

mods yet another topic to lock.

this has the potential to get out of hand like the hyundai vs honda topics(no subforums for them??), so pls kindly lock it up.

another thing my two cents, tata would benifit from fiat,with thier engine range and over all better build quality.

Mpower · 22nd April 2005, 19:11

Longterm, this deal will be good for TATA (depending on how they negotiate) because no other global major is willing to be a minority partner with them. They will get access to the latest technology from Fiat like CRDi, crash testing etc.

The other big problem is that they dont have a C/C+ segment car for Indigo customers to move up, and this could come from Fiat. (Stilo)

In the short term they have to make sure that Indica and Palio dont compete directly, by doing some clever market positioning.

adya33 · 22nd April 2005, 19:20

TATA can be benifited by this
If they sell FIAT cars with TATA-FIAT badge with TATA's customer support there will be nothing like it! (seems highly unlikely though)

as for Indica & Palio,
TATA should discontinue Indica Petrol & replace it by FIAT Palio Petrol & disconnect Palio diesel
just my thought

22nd April 2005, 11:07	#1 (permalink)
hasopi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 176	Fiat: Tata Possible Partner In India Guys..I am not bluffing... see this: http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?do...eng.bnessitaly (AGI) - Rome, Apr. 21 - According to the Mondadori weekly "Economy", Tata Motors could be the partner with whom Sergio Marchionne, Fiat managing director, is negotiating in India for a huge industrial agreement in the automobile sector. Old friends of the Agnelli family the owners of Tata Motors are industrial tycoons at the head of a conglomerate operating in many sectors: from industrial vehicles, components, aviation software, Tata Steel steelworks up to financing of tourism facilities, energy, chemistry, food industry and much more. The holding created in 1868 entered into the automobile sector in 1945, in 2003 it reached production quota 3 million and in 2004 purchased the industrial vehicles division of Daewoo. Now the holding is preparing to launch a super-economy car for 1,600 euro. Today Tata has a turnover of 15 billion dollars and about 220,000 employees.

22nd April 2005, 12:32	#3 (permalink)
RX135 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: pune Posts: 1,557	All talk and no show, that's the way Fiat goes. __________________ Drive fast, but drive safe.

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RJK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia,PA Posts: 852	Last week, a friend of mine working in ITC-Grand Maratha had told me that a couple of people from Fiat Italy had come to visit TATA factory. It got me wondering.... __________________ '94 Mazda MX-6 My first car with my own money.

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khanak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai/Toronto Posts: 2,275 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (3)	Does it make sense for TATA to enter into a partnership with FIAT? I dont think so. I think their product portfolio is quite similar and why would TATA want to create competiton for itself? __________________ Adhish आधीश् ஆதிஷ் ادهش adhish.wordpress.com __________________

22nd April 2005, 14:56	#7 (permalink)
Steeroid Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DXB Posts: 5,414 View My Garage	Yaawn! Whats Fiat ? Seriously, dont you guys think its time to say TATA to FIAT? __________________ Cheers Steer In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is stoned to death.

22nd April 2005, 12:06	#2 (permalink)
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,328	I hope this is not another false rumour. But yeah, Tata and Fiat may make a good partnership. Both suck equally at different things. LOL

22nd April 2005, 15:25	#9 (permalink)
Deeps BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 860	Ahhh, not another Fiat thread. Why give so much importance (bandwidth) to a manufacturer who doesn't give a damn about its customers?? Abt the topic on hand, i don't think its likely to happen. TATA are doing great as it is and probably would want to keep their distance from the bad image of Fiat.

22nd April 2005, 15:32	#11 (permalink)
serious_maniac BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 60	Another news regarding Tata's regarding the deal with Rover - "Tata Motors to pursue Rover guarantee" http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/apr/22tata.htm "Tata Motors had entered into an arrangement with MG Rover in 2002 to export 100,000 Indica cars over a five-year period. The Indicas were supposed to hit European roads under the City Rover brand name. According to the source, so far approximately 10,000 Indicas have been exported to MG Rover." With some of parts and stock which could not be sold in UK, we might see some "Limited edition International" Indicas too... ~maniac

22nd April 2005, 16:56	#12 (permalink)
satish_appasani BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 918 View My Garage	Note from the Admin : Post Deleted. Watch your tone. Theres no need for personal attacks when a sensible issue is being discussed. Last edited by satish_appasani : 22nd April 2005 at 17:02.

22nd April 2005, 18:21	#13 (permalink)
aadix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hyderabad Posts: 1,298	mods yet another topic to lock. this has the potential to get out of hand like the hyundai vs honda topics(no subforums for them??), so pls kindly lock it up. another thing my two cents, tata would benifit from fiat,with thier engine range and over all better build quality. __________________ "live to ride,ride to eliminate"

22nd April 2005, 19:11	#14 (permalink)
Mpower Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago/B'lore Posts: 3,700 View My Garage	Longterm, this deal will be good for TATA (depending on how they negotiate) because no other global major is willing to be a minority partner with them. They will get access to the latest technology from Fiat like CRDi, crash testing etc. The other big problem is that they dont have a C/C+ segment car for Indigo customers to move up, and this could come from Fiat. (Stilo) In the short term they have to make sure that Indica and Palio dont compete directly, by doing some clever market positioning. __________________ The difference between the men and the boys....................is the speed of their toys.

22nd April 2005, 19:20	#15 (permalink)
adya33 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 1,912	TATA can be benifited by this If they sell FIAT cars with TATA-FIAT badge with TATA's customer support there will be nothing like it! (seems highly unlikely though) as for Indica & Palio, TATA should discontinue Indica Petrol & replace it by FIAT Palio Petrol & disconnect Palio diesel just my thought

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