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Old 22nd January 2009, 17:51   #16
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No. It means that new cars (not meeting EIV) cannot be registered in E-IV cities once the regulations come into force. I think M-S may think about the new engine families (like in A-star) for the products they plan to sell in E-IV towns. I doubt whether the Omni and Alto engines can be upgraded to EIV specs.

Just watch and wait for many cars to fall by the wayside.
So if I still want an 800 I can register it outside Mumbai and save even more on Octroi.
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Old 22nd January 2009, 18:01   #17
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I wish entire country migrated to Euro IV as one. Present system allows manufacturers to dump outdated products in other towns. I also wish we trailed so many years behind Euro norms. One year is enough for manufacturers to improve their products.

I guess we can thank ***** Birla and Mahindra for this.
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Not the best way for a car to celebrate its 25th anniversary! :(
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Just saw on CNBC-TV18 that Maruti Suzuki will withdraw the M800 from the Euro-IV cities next year. Wait for more similar announcements.
Dont think it will have a big impact. You hardly see any brand new M800s in a city like Bangalore. Alto is almost the lowest people want to start with.
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Not the best way for a car to celebrate its 25th anniversary! :(
In Malayalam, there is a saying "Stop singing when your voice is still good". Most good cricketers know this - they step down when at their peak, with an excellent performance, if possible.

MSIL's M800 would rather be kicked out, rather than be discontinued.

Too bad that MSIL, like every other auto manufacturer needs to be legislated into conforming with modern and more fuel efficient norms, rather than giving / promoting such features.

AMongst the heavy vehicle manufacturers, it required legislation to make power steering standard equipment on the vehicles. MSIL is learning from them, it seems.
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Old 23rd January 2009, 00:51   #21
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I thought Maruti was trying to take on Nano with a price revised 800. Discontinueing the model temporarily could be a strategic move. So that they can maybe relaunch with the upgraded engine (the 12-valve MPI 5-speed which they offered for smetime in the 800 itselt and currently doing duty in the Alto) at a lower price point due to strong public demand.

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I wish entire country migrated to Euro IV as one. Present system allows manufacturers to dump outdated products in other towns. I also wish we trailed so many years behind Euro norms. One year is enough for manufacturers to improve their products.

I guess we can thank ***** Birla and Mahindra for this.
You should thank the 'sarkari' oil firms. They were unable to produce E-III petrol (and possibly Diesel as well) for quite some time after the E-III norms came in. Let us see what happens with E-IV.

Can someone enlighten us as to what differences, if any, will be there in fuels pecs with Euro-IV from Euro-III.
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Alto has the basically the same motor but with 16 valves.
How can a 3 cylinder engine have 16 valves?

Edit: the Alto 1.1 / WagonR do not have the same motor as the M800. I know I'm nitpicking but would rather have correct information posted here.

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Is the Swift's engine Euro IV complaint ? It is a modified version of Esteem's engine right ?
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Alto has the basically the same motor but with 16 valves.
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How can a 3 cylinder engine have 16 valves?
The 0.8L(3 cylinder) Alto has 12 valves and 1.1L(4 cylinder) Alto has 16 valves.
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M800 (F8B) has 2 valve per cylinder engine producing 37 BHP, whereas Alto(F8D) has 4 valves per cylinder producing 47 BHP. Both are 3 cylinder motors.
Alto 1.1 and WagonR (F10D) have 4 valves per cylinder, and are 4 cylinder motors, so total 4*4=16 valves.
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If we look at current generation of small cars: i10, A-star, Spark, Estilo: They are competent and look contemporary / good. I guess all manufacturers need to get together and shelve old models. Maruti's success in selling old models side by side to new models has set the wrong precedent. Which others are more eagerly following. No reason for Getz, Ikon, accent to exist too!
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Is the Swift's engine Euro IV complaint ? It is a modified version of Esteem's engine right ?
You are right. However, an engine transplant into the Swift has been on the cards for quite some time. Also, there are strong rumours about a mid-life upgrade to the Swift next year. So both may come at the same time.
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Maruti may withdraw M800 from the market for sometime and then re-launch it once Nano is in market.

It is the only viable option and competitor to Nano from Maruti's stable.
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@SBR, what's the logic in withdrawing and then re-introducing the car ? Isn't it logical to just let the car be and let it take on the Nano ?

If not for the Nano threat, I feel MSIL would have pulled the plug on the M800 given its decreasing sales. But since Nano is on the horizon, they are keeping it alive.
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