Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 9th June 2009, 19:31   #121
BHPian
 
vcash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 453
Thanked: 14 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
The Landcruiser is priced on par with the S Class in the United States. Now, in India, the S Class retails for in the region of 80 lakhs....same as the Landcruiser.

I don't think it's overpriced for a CBU. But yet, Toyota ought to build it here and get the rate down to 60ish.
Not Quite GTO - LC starts at about 65K in the US and the Lexus LX at about 75K. The S550 (The 450 is not available Stateside yet) on the other hand starts at 89K. That is a major price difference across the board.

And the previous Gen S430 was around 75K where as the LC was 55K and the Lexus LX was 65K.

Toyota is trying to take the LC upmarket for sure; but I don't know if there will be any takers at that price. Maybe 80L for the Lexus badge; but not for the Toyota badge.
vcash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 19:58   #122
BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lost
Posts: 405
Thanked: 44 Times
Default

Yawn. I'm glad I did not wait for this. It is just too damn expensive for a Toyota.

I know the comparison is not right but here in Japan you get the 4.6L petrol (234 kW/47 kgm) model in the range 4.7M to 6.9M JPY (including 5% consumption tax). That is about 24 lakhs to 35 lakhs INR for a superbly loaded model. As a comparison the fully loaded Honda CRV retails for 3.1M JPY. Only well heeled hardcore LC fans will go for it in India. All the best toyotabharat !!
entropy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 20:02   #123
Senior - BHPian
 
sammyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gurgaon/Doon
Posts: 1,738
Thanked: 338 Times
Default

lol i loved the title of this thread. All Rise.. I jumped and that too like I sat on a hot potato. What in the world is wrong with Toyota, just after they priced the Altis so well. Dissapointing to say the least.
sammyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 20:20   #124
BHPian
 
pranava999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: BANGALORE
Posts: 820
Thanked: 19 Times
Default

Maybe Toyota's adopting price skimming strategy. First round attract ULTRA HNIs such as the powerful politician >= CM level, the powerful Infrastructure and real estate magnates, mine owners...oh I give up...this does not seem right, unless there are sub ultra HNIs around for the next round.....
pranava999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 21:07   #125
BHPian
 
neerajdan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pune
Posts: 35
Thanked: 7 Times
Default

I was thinking - Since the 100 series is discontinued from most markets, why cant Toyota get the used dies and equipment and manufacture the 100 series here? I'm sure that even this 'old' model is still better then most SUVs here and it would surely find a huge market.
neerajdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 21:12   #126
BHPian
 
Caramelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ahmedabad
Posts: 769
Thanked: 13 Times
Default

i would go for a bmw X5 over this no offence to cruiser boys.lolz

dont get back at me i know LC is king of offroading. but i would want to go 260 kmph on an express highway in an 2.5 tonne SUV lolz. thats how i would like to roll. :P

Last edited by Caramelo : 9th June 2009 at 21:15.
Caramelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2009, 22:50   #127
Senior - BHPian
 
aaggoswami's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vadodara
Posts: 4,675
Thanked: 1,427 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by extreme_torque View Post
No matter how goo, its still has a Toyota badge which stands nowhere comparred to Germans.
As far as capability goes, Cayenne for me is more capable, lightyears ahead on the road, on par if not better off it. After all how many SUV have you seen that can drift on a track!
1) May be Toyota badge cannot stand as compared to Germans, but this is limited to other cars in budget segment. Beyond that Lexus has proven itself and has given nightmares to Germans.
LC is no different. It is one of the most reputed off roaders in the world. UN itself buys LC in good numbers.
2) On the road, nothing comes close to Cayenne for on road capability, not even X5 or Q7, agreed. But Cayenne is not at par with LC as far as off roading goes. LC is quite ahead and is very very well proven.
I dont remember when, but once I read somewhere an article that tested Cayenne agianst Jimmy ( the one presently sold in UK ) for offroading. Jimmy won that round. Yes, we are no one to comment. If more tests are conducted, it might be the other way round, but just an indication that Cayenne was never designed for offroading.
LC is indeed designed keeping in mind off roading.
aaggoswami is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 09:20   #128
BHPian
 
Caramelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ahmedabad
Posts: 769
Thanked: 13 Times
Default

still toyota and that too from toyotabharat. lolz i am sorry but thats funny.

if you dont look at it that way its worth the money. i mean you wont be dissapointed. but the UN people buy the specially designed striped down version. they dont have mettalic paints and 6 dvd players. or 4 zone climate control. i very well doubt that. but spending 81 sounds crazy. why not buy merc S class. this vehicle will be used by actors and filmy personalities. who dont try to go out without thier drivers forget the offroadin.
Caramelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 09:36   #129
Senior - BHPian
 
devarshi84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ahmedabad - Tor
Posts: 3,996
Thanked: 118 Times
Default

Pricing is wrong big time. If toyota cant affford to bring it close to 50 lacs range, they shouldnt launch it right now. Mitsubishi Montero sure is a class smaller but look at the kit they throw in for the price.

And no It is not even remotely close to the S-Class in the U.S.A.
devarshi84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 09:39   #130
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Nikhilb2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 4,825
Thanked: 4,801 Times
Default

For people who want the LC name irrespective of the cost, this will be a big help. Of course, today, it has a lot more competition, but the LC name still has a lot of heritage and value. People will buy it.

Personally however, I dont like the looks of this barge!
Nikhilb2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 09:54   #131
Senior - BHPian
 
extreme_torque's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,546
Thanked: 1,318 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaggoswami View Post
1) May be Toyota badge cannot stand as compared to Germans, but this is limited to other cars in budget segment. Beyond that Lexus has proven itself and has given nightmares to Germans.
LC is no different. It is one of the most reputed off roaders in the world. UN itself buys LC in good numbers.
This is no Lexus... its a Toyota so we can keep the discussion with Lexus for some other day. One of the most reputed offroaders in the world because the first one came in 1951. The others are infants compared to this but that doesnt mean they are less capable or rugged.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaggoswami View Post
2) On the road, nothing comes close to Cayenne for on road capability, not even X5 or Q7, agreed. But Cayenne is not at par with LC as far as off roading goes. LC is quite ahead and is very very well proven.
How much experience do you have with LC and Cayenne driving offroad? Lemme guess... Zilch... but the authoritative tone in the sentence suggests otherwise.
I dont have any experience with both of them but I have seen enough to come to my conclusion.
Why dont you have a look at the video's here before you say anything further.
YouTube - porsche cayenne off road test

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaggoswami View Post
I dont remember when, but once I read somewhere an article that tested Cayenne agianst Jimmy ( the one presently sold in UK ) for offroading. Jimmy won that round. Yes, we are no one to comment. If more tests are conducted, it might be the other way round, but just an indication that Cayenne was never designed for offroading.
LC is indeed designed keeping in mind off roading.
There will be places where a gypsy would humble even the best of offroaders but thats not the point, its the thing in bold that I am more interested in.
Lockable diffs, Low ratio gearbox, hill descent control, permanent all wheel drive, 218mm ground clearance, towing capacity 7700 pounds.... never designed for offroading? Prove me wrong.
extreme_torque is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 11:37   #132
Senior - BHPian
 
aaggoswami's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vadodara
Posts: 4,675
Thanked: 1,427 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by extreme_torque View Post
1) One of the most reputed offroaders in the world because the first one came in 1951. The others are infants compared to this but that doesnt mean they are less capable or rugged.

2) How much experience do you have with LC and Cayenne driving offroad? Lemme guess... Zilch... but the authoritative tone in the sentence suggests otherwise.
I dont have any experience with both of them but I have seen enough to come to my conclusion.
Why dont you have a look at the video's here before you say anything further.
YouTube - porsche cayenne off road test

3) There will be places where a gypsy would humble even the best of offroaders but thats not the point, its the thing in bold that I am more interested in.
Lockable diffs, Low ratio gearbox, hill descent control, permanent all wheel drive, 218mm ground clearance, towing capacity 7700 pounds.... never designed for offroading? Prove me wrong.
1) It came in 1951 but never forgot that it was built of tough use and terrain. It was never designed for on road performance and neither was it designed to drift at track. Of course this does never implies that others are not capable, but this remain as More capable than others and its something very few can match. Track burning SUV cannot match LC in off roading.

2) I am not so lucky, but I have rather spend a lot of time viewing all those videos and then my authoritative statement came in. Its not matter of one or two videos, but I have read more on internet and also have read in US automags about LC.

3) KDSS ( Kinetic Dynamic Suspension Setup ) for better wheel articulation.
Crawl : Saw video of this.
Easily this proves that others cannot come close to LC.


Once again the point I am trying to chip in simple : LC is one of the best off roader. Its quite good car specially LC200 has received very positive reviews and its onroad performance ( dynamics ) is better than 100 series. Off Roading, very few cars come close to this. Cayenne, Q7, X5 and M-class are not this capable off road.
But Toyota has priced this car very high, instead they should have bought in the Lexus brand.

Last edited by aaggoswami : 10th June 2009 at 11:40.
aaggoswami is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 13:25   #133
Team-BHP Support
 
theMAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 7,035
Thanked: 1,472 Times
Default

At 81 lakhs, the (very) few numbers it will sell, will only be used on the smoothest of tarmacs in this country. Pity - considering its off-road lineage.
theMAG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2009, 16:57   #134
Distinguished - BHPian
 
4x4addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chennai
Posts: 3,975
Thanked: 2,497 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by theMAG View Post
At 81 lakhs, the (very) few numbers it will sell, will only be used on the smoothest of tarmacs in this country. Pity - considering its off-road lineage.
In the 4WD Section, I have seen some members brave their Montero 3.2a/X5s/ and Range Rovers on the trail so hopefully someone members with well lined pockets will bring this beauty to an OTR.
4x4addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th June 2009, 17:06   #135
BHPian
 
aerohit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: India
Posts: 883
Thanked: 581 Times
Default

I saw a brand new 2009 LC on this tuesday, in BLR MG road

Interesting to know that people are willing to pay 80L+ for a car that costs no more than 30L globally.
aerohit is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ford Mustang coming to India. EDIT: Launched at 65 lakhs rowhun The Indian Car Scene 426 18th August 2016 10:01
Toyota Prius could be coming to India EDIT: Now launched. navdeep The Indian Car Scene 123 17th January 2014 08:03
Volvo S60 "HOT" and XC60 are coming. EDIT : XC60 launched at 39.50 lakhs ajai_dev The Indian Car Scene 56 19th January 2011 10:41
Monster Toyota LandCruiser 105- Spotted All Over india! drbryjne Super-Cars & Imports in India 16 23rd August 2010 04:27
Honda "Civic Hybrid" coming. EDIT : Now launched @ 21.50 lakhs amit The Indian Car Scene 149 30th September 2008 22:52


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 13:01.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks