Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


View Poll Results: Larger step forward?
Vista 186 60.39%
Xylo 122 39.61%
Voters: 308. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 31st January 2009, 20:06   #31
BHPian
 
ScorpMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: DL/PB/HR
Posts: 359
Thanked: 121 Times
Default

I dont think both, Tata & Mahindra have done anything exceptional or a marked improvement over their previous products.
But, still my vote goes to Xylo, neither for its design , price or space at offer, only for the sense of security that this vehicle wont fail you when asked to deliver. Mahindra is way ahead of Tata in this aspect, and the reliability of its cars can not be doubted.
ScorpMan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 20:10   #32
srh
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 339
Thanked: 139 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greatmana2000 View Post
you guys talk about indian and other stuff . but do you know the mahindras use so many suppliers who are not indian that i wouldnt use the term fully built indian stuff as such.

Regarding the engine , I still feel that mahindra has outsourced the engine rather than manufactured it .
Mahindra manufactures its engines. The design gets inputs most probably from AVL, but still it is an in-house effort.

Regarding suppliers, every OEM now relies on sourcing complete systems from their Tier 1 suppliers. There are Indian suppliers (e.g. Kalyani Brakes) as well as JV's (e.g. Motherson Sumi or Sanden Vikas). However, few of these systems are off the shelf proprietary products. The OEM is involved in some way or the other in the customizing the design. Finally the integration of these disparate systems is done by the OEM.
srh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 20:16   #33
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N.A
Posts: 6,834
Thanked: 1,503 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScorpMan View Post
Mahindra is way ahead of Tata in this aspect, and the reliability of its cars can not be doubted.


Not much to choose between the two, actually. One has issues with peripheral components such as a/c, plastics and brake bias, the other has core issues like transmission and differentials.

They're equally bad or equally good, depending on your point of view.

All this talk of Mahindra reliability is ridiculous.
Steeroid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 20:17   #34
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Mpower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 10,432
Thanked: 1,682 Times
Default

I would vote for the Mahindra Xylo, because if you take the MJD out of a Vista then there is not much to it. The Mahindra CRDI engine/s have always been a cracker of a powerplant.
Mpower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 20:44   #35
Senior - BHPian
 
raj_5004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Dubai/Mumbai
Posts: 5,078
Thanked: 2,030 Times
Default

i have voted for the xylo. the amazing interiors coupled with such an attractive price is a shocker. mahindra vehicles are usually priced quite high.
i dont care about the looks, its an MUV... a family mover & it serves that purpose excedingly well.

@ steeroid: mahindras are very reliable my friend, unlike tatas. these comments maybe from personal experiences but you cant term them 'ridiculous'!

Last edited by raj_5004 : 31st January 2009 at 20:48.
raj_5004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 20:52   #36
Senior - BHPian
 
MaserQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,156
Thanked: 51 Times
Default

Will refrain from voting simply because I believe that both vehicles have moved the game forward for their respective companies.

Honda and Toyota took decades to get their quality to where it is now. With that as reference, M&M and Tata are certainly getting better with every new product offering.
MaserQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 21:18   #37
BHPian
 
rrsteer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 144022
Posts: 940
Thanked: 893 Times
Default

My vote goes to Vista. Xylo may have slain the sedans, but it forgot the hatchbacks.

Having lived with vista for sometime now, I believe its among the best overall packages
rrsteer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 22:14   #38
Senior - BHPian
 
safari_lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bengaluru / Bagdal
Posts: 1,058
Thanked: 377 Times
Default

If you ask which is the better Indian product, then it definitely has to be the Vista.
safari_lover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 22:27   #39
BHPian
 
Sowmya's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 494
Thanked: 16 Times
Default

I vote for Xylo but some additional Safety feature could have make perfect... Wish M&M will do in next release.
Sowmya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 23:01   #40
BHPian
 
aerohit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: India
Posts: 873
Thanked: 574 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeroid View Post
Both have one more weakness in common:

Tata have tried to make the Vista look like the Indica and Mahindra have messed around with the design to make the Xylo look like the Scorpio.

Sometimes it isnt such a good idea to look like your predecessor.
so what?

I didnt see you complaining about the face of Q5 and A4 or A6
aerohit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st January 2009, 23:53   #41
Senior - BHPian
 
kiku007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,610
Thanked: 1,223 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post

My question is thus : Which of these is a bigger step forward for an Indian car?

Which of these is a bigger leap forward for the Indian car?

I'd pick the Vista over its Japanese / Korean competition, but I wouldn't choose the Xylo over its foreign alternatives.
Bigger Step? Bigger Leap? It's got to be the Indica Vista.

IMHO I feel that a fair count of people would not be choosing the Vista JUST because it's cheaper than it's foreign competition. It's not fighting with the competition just with the price trump card alone.The product as a whole package has evolved for the better

This can truly take the product and the Indian Brand global!

After all these years of development and testing, is PRICE the only scoring point of the Xylo? Definetly not a giant leap.

And can someone please shed light on the development time for both the cars?

I never knew that Tata was working on a MPV. The Xylo is launched and we already see Tata testing the Indicruz! Some brownie points please for Product development time

But Tata leaves a part of the testing to the poor public though
kiku007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st February 2009, 00:10   #42
BHPian
 
salvation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: chandigarh
Posts: 117
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

[quote=GTO;1152521]The Innova, Tavera (yup, believe me) and the discontinued Qualis.

road manners under 10 lacs- innova i agree , but tavera and Qualis you must be joking right?
i have driven qualis and it always felt like while braking that rear was going in different direction then the front part and it had worst back seats followed by tavera .. sorry but i dont agree with you on these two muv's but as far as innova is concerned its best in its segment , may be in a segment higher too,
it is a sedan killer in its segment imho? given a choice i would buy innova in sub 10 lac category but would definitely buy a sedan instead of tavera or qualis..
salvation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st February 2009, 00:41   #43
Team-BHP Support
 
benbsb29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 8,018
Thanked: 3,468 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenhorn View Post
If and when the tata launches the ingenio, this achievement too will be matched by them
A self-confessed Tata fan, but you didnt know Tata doesnt have a project called Ingenio?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
The Innova, Tavera (yup, believe me) and the discontinued Qualis.
Talking of road manners, and the very points people complain about the Xylo, doesnt the Qualis also dip and dive upon braking? Then why herald it for good road manners?
benbsb29 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 1st February 2009, 01:19   #44
Senior - BHPian
 
greenhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: TN-14
Posts: 6,837
Thanked: 1,310 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by benbsb29 View Post
A self-confessed Tata fan, but you didnt know Tata doesnt have a project called Ingenio?!
I meant the indicruz . the ingenio is the xylo - got it mixed up in a hurry
greenhorn is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 1st February 2009, 02:13   #45
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pune.
Posts: 80
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

Well the bigger step would be Xylo. because first time an Indian car is breaking into MPV segment.

Actually you should compare Tata Indica (the first version) with Mahindra Xylo. Because then both of them would have been the first indigenous products in their respective segments.

But I will vote for Vista, reason being the refinement (in design and design choices) and the fact that the whole package seems to be a real competition (not in terms of price) to its counterparts.
tanmay_ambre is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Key decision points for Audi A4 versus Mercedes C220 versus BMW 320D ashishkashyap Luxury, Imports & Niche 40 30th April 2017 19:35
Tata Manza versus Mahindra Verito raj_srini Sedans 121 28th February 2012 22:07
Tata Indica xeta versus Tata Vista SAFIRE 65 rohantn Hatchbacks 17 16th November 2011 01:53
M&M launches Xylo variant - Xylo D2, with new Engine H3LIOS The Indian Car Scene 61 11th November 2010 22:34


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 18:54.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks