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Old 10th February 2009, 10:40   #31
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Excellent news by Hyundai on the launch of diesel AT sub 10L.

Now this comes in my piece of interest...Already a Hyundai Owner...
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Old 10th February 2009, 11:21   #32
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TOI carries an ad of the facelifted Verna today and has also mentioned the AT option. Looks like a pretty decent package. I hope they have a TD car though.
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The AT looks like the old 3-speed (upped to 4 speed) box on the Santro. The give away is 1,2,D with an extra button on the changer (for enabling the 4th quaintly called OverDrive!).
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Old 10th February 2009, 11:35   #34
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Now there is a tough competition for Honda city AT.

Similar price / Similar interiors / similar build quality / almost similar success

& Verna is "Diesel" .

Hummm...

Lets see the competition.
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Old 11th February 2009, 11:06   #35
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the Hyundai Verna AT Crdi cost 10.22 lacs on road Bangalore
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That's not too bad considering the City AT costs 10.4L on road bangalore.
If the numbers are accurate, that is a killer deal! Only goes to show how over-priced the cost-cutting champion - the Honda City - is. For less money, you get:

- A quick - and I mean quick - diesel. Fairly efficient too.

- Better rear seat (on support).

- Roomy interiors

- Good ride quality within the city

What you don't get is the better "H" badge, a 5 speed auto, airbags and handling. Still, for a diesel automatic, the pricing is superb!
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This auto by the looks of it is rudimentary as compared with the City AT.

1. No clutch lock up

2. Only 4 speeds. A diesel with its narrower power bands can benefit from a five speed.
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AIRBAGS...
How can hyundai even launch a car worth 10 lac that doesnt have airbags in it.

I really want to know why is hyundai not giving airbags in this car is there a design problem or what.

Please can anyone tell me why there are no airbags in this car?
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AIRBAGS...
How can hyundai even launch a car worth 10 lac that doesnt have airbags in it.
My thoughts exactly...shocking omission
If I were interested I would not buy it because of the absence of airbags.
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AIRBAGS...
How can hyundai even launch a car worth 10 lac that doesnt have airbags in it.

I really want to know why is hyundai not giving airbags in this car is there a design problem or what.

Please can anyone tell me why there are no airbags in this car?
Cost cutting.

Plus the general assumption that Indians are not really keen on Airbags since re-deployment costs are high etc.

Hyundai is a weird company man. They can offer Airbags for the top end i10 and i20, but not for the Verna.
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Cost cutting.

Plus the general assumption that Indians are not really keen on Airbags since re-deployment costs are high etc.

Hyundai is a weird company man. They can offer Airbags for the top end i10 and i20, but not for the Verna.
Look like their are making an edge for Avante Atlast hyundai needs to fill up 10-14 lakh price band where in they do not offer any thing.
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Old 12th February 2009, 13:07   #41
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I just saw the hyundai US and international website.
There the Verna is called accent and it has airbags so it cant be a design
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Plus the general assumption that Indians are not really keen on Airbags since re-deployment costs are high etc.
Also the general assumption is not true anymore

As cleary pointed out by StartScream
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If I were interested I would not buy it because of the absence of airbags.
Does anyone know any from hyundai .. maybe they can answer this question.
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Cost cutting.

Airbag systems are expensive to the hilt. Since Indian law doesn't mandate the presence of airbags, manufacturers remove it in favour of superficial features (or a cracker of an engine). Even in such mass produced forms, two airbag systems and the controller with the associated sensor systems run into more than a lakh or two. Then again, six airbags do not cost much more in the i20. So maybe it's the basic ground work of sensors that cost so much.

[Citation needed], I know. It's just third party info, but it certainly ain't cheap.

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Cost cutting.

Plus the general assumption that Indians are not really keen on Airbags since re-deployment costs are high etc.

Hyundai is a weird company man. They can offer Airbags for the top end i10 and i20, but not for the Verna.
@Fountainheader:

You're absolutely right. Hyundai India is weird. I have mentioned this issue in my long mail to Hyundai - regarding why smaller and cheaper cars of theirs have ABS and airbags but not the more expensive / powerful ones.

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I just saw the hyundai US and international website. There the Verna is called accent and it has airbags so it cant be a design issue. Also the general assumption is not true anymore as clearly pointed out by StarScream.

Does anyone know any from hyundai .. maybe they can answer this question.
@Gouravsinha:

Yup. Definitely no design issue since most of Hyundai's models are sold overseas with ABS and airbags as standard (even on base versions). If someone here knows someone from Hyundai India, there would be tonnes of questions to be asked !!

Warm regards,
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P.S. - I think aditya.86 may have contacts in Hyundai India since he works for a company that supplies components to Hyundai India.
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With Fiesta D Zxi offering almost the same features (only omission to me is CC) at 1.7L less (7.32L vs 9.02L), they should really think about the positioning of the Verna CRDI SX. Granted it has more power, but that's a steep difference. I guess a few months of sales difference would make Huyndai offer some good discounts.
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regarding why smaller and cheaper cars of theirs have ABS and airbags but not the more expensive / powerful ones.
That's a compelling argument if I ever saw one. Well said, an obvious oversight on the part of Hyundai. They ought to know that the average automatic customer is not that price sensitive. Split the airbags cost 50:50 and bump up the Vernas price by 15,000 rupees.
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