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Old 20th February 2009, 13:38   #31
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I just can't believe that 'The Hindu' had this on their pages.
In the newspaper industry's language it's called "google, cut & paste". In this case the "girl" didn't check the dateline of the item being stolen off the net. I used to once work for one such top of the line financial daily of our country. Our auto correspondent in Bombay never knew how to drive but used to go to various foreign junkets !!

By the way, if you wrote a letter to the editor some action would be taken. I can assure you about that.Though you wouldn't get to know about it.
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I think the hindu has a "reader's editor" who takes care of these issues
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In the newspaper industry's language it's called "google, cut & paste". In this case the "girl" didn't check the dateline of the item being stolen off the net. I used to once work for one such top of the line financial daily of our country. Our auto correspondent in Bombay never knew how to drive but used to go to various foreign junkets !!
The C&P plagiarism seems to be universal phenomenon, no longer it is copyright to the software engineers. This seems to be the real reason behind the goof-up. No problems with the facility at hand, but brainless adoption is real culprit


You will find similar answers provided on indiacar. Another likely candidate for humour section

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@supremeBaleno:
Do not use anything in the Hindu's supplements for decision-making. This is from a long-time Hindu fan, who enjoys its editorials and foreign reporting (sports too until R.Mohan retired). I went to a unknown local spot the supplement advertised as a nice undiscovered trekking spot, and it was basically a 5-minute climb up a smooth hillock.

I wrote back to the Hindu, but got no direct reply; what I did see was a column by the readers' editor a couple of weeks later, saying that supplements were outsourced and not at all vetted to meet editorial standards.

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As for people suggesting that the Hindu is biased, a publication's leanings and bias are what makes it worth reading. If one wants no bias, all one needs is a news channel on mute to read the ticker at the bottom (or an RSS feed). No newspaper reports just the facts (or even all the facts, not even the Hindu); they always add their opinion to it.

People pick the TOI if they are looking for light entertainment. I have heard financial people say they prefer the Indian Express / Financial Express combo. People who want a good read pick the Hindu. People who want the absolute bare hard truth ... can become detectives; newspapers cannot satisfy them.

Still, I would think that the Hindu puts more thought into what it writes than any other English daily in India.
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Each of their auto supplements clearly indicates the source. I wish people wouldn't unnecessarily accuse someone of stealing off the net.
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I wrote back to the Hindu, but got no direct reply; what I did see was a column by the readers' editor a couple of weeks later, saying that supplements were outsourced and not at all vetted to meet editorial standards.
Now do you see some truth in controlled brickbat theory ?

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Still, I would think that the Hindu puts more thought into what it writes than any other English daily in India.
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Yes.. they put some thoughts but the problem arises when the thought they put in looks like canvassing for position of neighboring country and this bias is problematic to people who do not believe their beloved chairman is our chairman. Mindless trash tabloids are lot better then subversive thoughtful publication
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People pick the TOI if they are looking for light entertainment.
I have never understood the TOI supplements esp. Page 3.

A party happened but they won't say where, when & why. But you can find a photos of couples with wine glasses and captions "Manish & Dolly" (or something similar).

Hey mods, what happened to some of the more appropriate smileys?
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I guess no one at the hindu reads team bhp. there's been a repeat performance in the TVM edition!

The Hindu : Metro Plus Thiruvananthapuram / Wheels : Virtual Mechanic
i found it quite funny - im reading about the "Linea Launch in 2009 september" and the advert below is :

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same goes with many auto shows on various channels
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The Hindu Metro Wheels is borrowed from previous Autocar editions. I don't have all the previous issues but there is a good possibility that, if we dig,we will find that this must have come from a 'typo' from one of the early 2008/late 2007 editions.( ie instead of 2008, by mistake they typed 2009. If you replace 2009 by 2008 then these were the market estimates way back in Jan 2008)

I stopped reading the metrowheels section a long time back.
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As for people suggesting that the Hindu is biased, a publication's leanings and bias are what makes it worth reading. If one wants no bias, all one needs is a news channel on mute to read the ticker at the bottom (or an RSS feed). No newspaper reports just the facts (or even all the facts, not even the Hindu); they always add their opinion to it.

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Newspapers / New Channels are not meant to be opinionated. For that you have an exclusive editorial page !! As regards Hindu, we know N.Ram's Communist leanings so only to see how long he takes to completely destroy the heritage paper. I read BusinessLine to get a slight taste of the good part of the Hindu

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Hey guys,

these newspapers are not only making big mistakes about cars,

Today i am really shocked to here the news about the biggest would be Vehicle of India. The Aircraft Carrier :Admiral Gorshakov."

Well the news was, Russia was asking some more amount for the biggest ship (45000 tonnes) with MIG fighters, that India will get in few month (hopefully). (see the pic)

& today, the Largest Gujarati Newspaper literally sunk it, by calling it a Submarine!

Well, after this goof, what will you expect from them for these little cars?
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One can only expect accurate content in specialised media, newspapers are very general in content & focus lies elsewhere.
Ive come across goof ups in all the major newspapers & not only about autos. but varied other sectors too, so much so that except political/current affairs, I don't pay much attention to other stuff.
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May be we can have a poll of the best of the current set of newspapers.
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This post is totally off-topic, but there seems to be no other way to reply to other OT posts. Anyway, I do not want post any more after this on this OT topic (?!)(sic)

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Now do you see some truth in controlled brickbat theory ?
Do you think every newspaper website with a write-back link actually reads what's written back? The existence of such a feedback mechanism means nothing to me. Atleast I saw some related effect in terms of the column by the readers' editor after I e-mailed; it may not have been only due to my e-mail or even partially due to it, but it did seem a response to (what you call) brickbats from somebody.

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Yes.. they put some thoughts but the problem arises when the thought they put in looks like canvassing for position of neighboring country and this bias is problematic to people who do not believe their beloved chairman is our chairman. Mindless trash tabloids are lot better then subversive thoughtful publication
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The same thing can be said for ads; mindless ads are better than subversive thoughtful ads. But it ain't true in either case, newspapers or ads. Ultimately, the aim is to sell a newspaper or a product. You can't sell a newspaper by listing facts and calling them 'articles', just like you can't sell a product by listing its features and calling that list an 'ad'.

You have to dress both up, and newspapers on their part do it by writing the way their target audience likes it. Just like you don't buy everything you see a good ad for, you shouldn't necessarily believe everything you read in a well-written article. But you can enjoy the article, like you enjoy ads. With articles, you can usually get something out it and use it too. And I have gleaned more from articles in the Hindu, than from the TOI or the Deccan Herald.

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Newspapers / New Channels are not meant to be opinionated. For that you have an exclusive editorial page !! As regards Hindu, we know N.Ram's Communist leanings so only to see how long he takes to completely destroy the heritage paper. I read BusinessLine to get a slight taste of the good part of the Hindu
Every major article in every major newspaper out there is opinionated. I don't know much about journalism, but it seems to me that it is impossible to write an impartial article. The most balanced recent example I saw was in the Hindu on the Israel attacks on Gaza (centre page; 3 weeks ago?).

As regards the current ideological leanings of the Hindu, atleast the TOI seems to have capitalistic leanings (now don't say capitalism is not an ideology! I am just using the term). I don't know enough to comment on the other dailies, but I think it is safe to assume that all newspapers have either an ideological leaning, or don't care and lean in a popular direction. That creeps into, or is put into, its articles (even what photography they publish). There is no avoiding it; you just have to sift through the stuff and get what you want.
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