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Old 27th August 2009, 20:09   #241
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It would take ~ a year after launch to iron out niggles, which are fairly common in both Tata & Mahindra vehicles.
Handling has been Mahindra's bug bear for long, they will have to strive hard to set the handling right.
In all probability Mahindra would be taking all the inspiration from the Fortuner, like it tried to copy the Innova while working on the Xylo. Not a bad thing though!
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The source is pretty credible. Can't disclose. Also the car is big. Something like landcruiser. Mahindra will be taking care of stability issue rather seriously as this will be launch in US. It is a whole new platform and past mistakes will not be repeated.

Of course, it being a new Mahindra, we can expect some new one
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Did you guys read the review if the Scorpio Pik-Up by the US journal? The 2.2 Mhawk in the US version makes 140 bhp and 325 nm/ 33 kgm torque.
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Another debacle after that stupid Xylo "End of sedans" advt.
M&M has gone out of ideas, rather they have entered the stupidity regime!
I think that is very good positioning, they very simply want to communicate to the sedan buyers too.

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Mahindra needs to change their ad agency, what a bunch of idiots! Who uses a caption like "Mighty Muscular" in todays times. Lets not forget the Xylo - awesome as its sales will be - was poorly positioned as a sedan replacement!
the caption is 'mighty muscular' but its tag line, but the positioning still is 'nothing else would do', they very clearly want to showcase their cosmetic changes.


And the sales of the xylo are extremely good, now anyone and everyone can argue if the advt worked for them or not. FOr me it did.

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just compare this with the Safari ad, Shows things which you will not forget (getaways) no matter how many high profile meetings you attend.

That ad hits a chord. It makes u understand that with safari u can fulfill your these dreams of going to such places. Reclaim your life.

It shows its upto you to reclaim your life, safari is just an add on to help you do it. The bigger thing is you yourself.

The campaign "Mighty muscular" doesnt let me understand what are they talking about, as someone has said, if it is mighty muscular, why does he needs two cars and two bikes as an escort. He should make his own road.

MnM come up with a better ad for Scorpio, the vehicle is good, let the ad strike proper balance of the vehicle delivering on ppls dreams.
Totally agree with you on this, but Scorpio from the beginning has always portrayed - 'nothing else would do' they cant get away from that and start a new line.

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@AC, they should have at least got the handling right before targeting sedans!
Anyways, Logan seems to be the most affected among the sedans!
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The source is pretty credible. Can't disclose. Also the car is big. Something like landcruiser. Mahindra will be taking care of stability issue rather seriously as this will be launch in US. It is a whole new platform and past mistakes will not be repeated.

Of course, it being a new Mahindra, we can expect some new one
A birdie from inside tells me that the W210 is going to be a monocoque

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A birdie from inside tells me that the W210 is going to be a monocoque
I second this.

Also, the US website is not launched officially. So the info is all obsolete. They had thought of launching Scorpio there, but stopped short of it. For obvious reasons, I guess. Maybe, they got some honest feedback

My guess is that they will not launch Scorpio in US and will directly launch W210 in 2011 after testing it on us in India for a year and ironing out the issues.
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The old scorpio was surely more stronger/muscular. Replacing a proper steel body with thin 'tailored blanks' (which buckles and dimples easily if someone leans hard against it or under small impacts) and calling it 'mighty muscular' is mighty paradoxical.
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Did you guys read the review if the Scorpio Pik-Up by the US journal? The 2.2 Mhawk in the US version makes 140 bhp and 325 nm/ 33 kgm torque.
Sir, I IRC, for India the engine was detuned to 120 bhp. The block of 2.2 is same as Safari 2.2.
For US market, they have not detuned the engine and hence 20 extra horses. Moreover the pickup will be hauling load, so it can be one of the reasons for the engine not being detuned.
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Probably its a long term strategy -> 2.2 engine is destined to be long term for all Mahindra SUV vehicles and they would rather want the full power to be shown as a delta for the new SUV. This coulds be the reason for 120 BHP of scorpio. Nothing like if they can get around 160-180 BHP for the new one. Will be worth ..
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NEW DELHI: After dominating the Indian market with its indigenously-built SUV Scorpio, Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) is working on one of its most ambitious projects — building an all-new SUV from scratch with an eye on foreign markets. M&M will invest Rs 700-800 crore in the new product that is expected to be out before the next fiscal-end.

After losing Ford's Jaguar and Land Rover (JLR) to Tatas, M&M seems to have taken up the challenge to build its own new global brand for foreign markets. While naming the product under development as 'Global SUV', M&M feels the new SUV has a market abroad where people are looking for a value-for-money vehicle. M&M V-C and MD Anand Mahindra had earlier said that the Indian utility vehicle major was not worried over the JLR loss but rather set to compete with the SUV maker.

Pawan Goenka, president, automotive division, of M&M, said the new SUV will be manufactured at the company's Chakan plant in Maharashtra and positioned a notch higher than the flagship Scorpio. "Yes, we are building an all-new SUV and are investing Rs 700-800 crore for this product that will come at a premium to the Scorpio in terms of pricing and positioning," Goenka said.

However, while Goenka referred to it as an SUV, sources engaged in development said it will be a crossover — a vehicle derived from a car platform while borrowing features from a SUV. Crossovers — that offer riding comfort of a car while carrying the macho looks of an SUV — typically are designed for light off-road capability. Some of the popular crossovers are BMW X3, Honda CR-V, Nissan Rouge and Toyota Highlander.

"It is being built in such a way that it will give us complete flexibility on what we require from it as per various markets. The basic body structure would remain the same even though the vehicle can be a right-hand drive or left-hand, meet varying safety requirements, or run on different fuels," Goenka said, adding that the first vehicle would roll out with a diesel option while others like hybrid could follow later.

India would also be a target market for the product. "Even though this is being developed as a global product, it will also be sold in India as well," he added. Sources said the new product could be priced at Rs 10 lakh.

Source : M&M to build an all-new SUV - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India

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They are saying "notch higher than the flagship Scorpio" and pricing at 10L,oh man i can't wait to see it in flesh.

10L is a mouth watering price for a SUV of this size.
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Pawan Goenka, president, automotive division, of M&M, said the new SUV will be manufactured at the company's Chakan plant in Maharashtra and positioned a notch higher than the flagship Scorpio.
So the test mules clicked by TBHP members and that were thought to be indicruz because of the MH12 registration plates could also be M & M vehicles,since they have a plant in Chakan?
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They are saying "notch higher than the flagship Scorpio" and pricing at 10L,oh man i can't wait to see it in flesh.

10L is a mouth watering price for a SUV of this size.
A notch above the Scorpio cannot be priced at 10L.

Should fall somewhere between 15 to 20L.
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The Prices of indian Grown SUV's seem headed for a significant hike in the next 2 years.

Yep the Xylo and Scorpio are priced / repriced very effectively.

But the nex scorpio / New Safari / Xover etc all seem headed to be priced in Innova and beyond territory.

Rather than refining the current well priced options to acceptable levels the efforts seem to be towards completely new offerings that can go global.

From business perspective this probably makes sense for them, but from the indian consumer point of view it would have been ideal if the still existent rough edges in the existent variants itself were tweaked first.
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