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Old 12th March 2009, 23:30   #166
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Yes once, actually the lid looks like a single mould item,I cannot see any screw on the back side to see how the handle is fixed, so the only moving part (no pun intended) is the handle, the guy at the service centre tried a crude way of tightening which sounded as if the handle might come off in his hand. I stopped him halfway in his attempt.

Since then, I stop at questioning the various service advisors in the hope that someone might be bright enough to fix it. There are no screws as far as I can see that I can tighten on my own so I just turn up the volume just a tad more than normal and pretend that it does not exist.
The glovebox lid can be opened and separated easily. An untrained accessory shop guy did it in front of my eyes in seconds. Your dealer is trying to rip you off.
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Yen may have appreciated against USD, but INR has depreciated big time against USD.
don't you think that's double trouble? Rupee depreciating against $, and then Yen appreciating against it makes the impact double, not less.

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In effect Yen has marginally moved against INR, so Honda is just using it as an excuse to increase the price.
i don't follow yen, but that's unlikely if they above said Scenario is true. Also most international transactions happens against $ or Euro.

btw, i am not justifying Honda price increase. This is just from an international market perspective.
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You say overpricing? Rather than being high, I find them irrational.

See this: (All Indian prices are the upcoming revised ones)
Honda CRV 2.4AT:
India: 23.44L/ Australia: 15L
Honda City MT:
India: 7.81L/ Australia: 6.9L/ Labuan: 7.9L
Honda Civic MT:
India: 12.46L/ Australia: 7.69L/ Labuan: 10L
Honda Accord V6:
India: 25L/ Australia: 14L/ Labuan: 19L/ Japan (Inspire): 20L
Can we also have Indian/Australian prices for other cars that are sold in both coutries? It will be intersting to see the complete data
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You say overpricing? Rather than being high, I find them irrational.
We can call it whatever each one of us wants, but how does it matter ? I frankly don't care where they price their cars because it is their product and upto them to price it as they want. As long as we have other options available, they are not being monopolistic and so its OK with me.

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The first Citys earned reputation as the choice for professionals like doctors, senior managers, CA’s, etc. The Lancers and Escorts of those days appealed more to businessmen with their available Diesel engines. That image of an “educated” “upscale” owner perhaps does the trick for Honda.
That sounds like a valid reason for how the 'snob thingy' started. However, the NHCs are sort of preferred by the business-types too - I know a few who opted for it.
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Can we also have Indian/Australian prices for other cars that are sold in both coutries? It will be intersting to see the complete data
That would be , but since you asked, when you begin to make comparisons, you cannot blame Honda alone. Everybody does it. Honda City and Civic are priced all right. Only with the Accord and the CRV do things get awry.
Toyota Prado VX: 24L
Toyota Camry AT: 10L
Mercedes C220CDI: 18.5L
BMW 320d Highline: 19.4L
[Australia has a punitive tax on vehicles above certain price band.]

It’s the same story across all manufactures. The same things apply to almost all major countries, except some in Western Europe and Malaysia. Might have something to do with Government policies.
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Honda Jazz rollout in June



New Delhi, March 12: Honda Siel Cars India (HSCI), the Indian entity of Japanese car manufacturer Honda, is set to launch its hatchback Jazz in the second half of this year.
“It will have an engine specifically made for the Indian market. We are looking at a June-July launch,” Masahiro Takedagawa, HSCI president and CEO, said on the sidelines of the launch of the upgraded Accord V6 at Greater Noida.
The Jazz will be produced at Honda’s Greater Noida facility, with nearly 70 per cent of the components sourced locally.
The car, which shares its platform with the new Honda City, is expected to be powered by a 1200cc petrol i-VTEC engine.
Analysts said it was likely to be priced between Rs 5.5 lakh and Rs 6.5 lakh.
The ca will be competing directly with the Skoda Fabia, Hyundai i20 and the yet-to-be-launched Fiat Grande Punto.
“We have studied the market and are quite confident about our selling abilities. In Thailand, the Jazz is priced higher than our City model,” said Jnaneswar Sen, vice-president (sales and marketing), HSCI. The City is Honda’s best-selling model in the country.
“Though we don’t expect the Jazz to take over volumes of our City model, the hatchback will still create some volume for us,” said Takedagawa.
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don't you think that's double trouble? Rupee depreciating against $, and then Yen appreciating against it makes the impact double, not less.

i don't follow yen, but that's unlikely if they above said Scenario is true. Also most international transactions happens against $ or Euro.

btw, i am not justifying Honda price increase. This is just from an international market perspective.
Well, they counter each other. Net net it is only a marginal appreciation.

100 Yen was costing around Rs.50/51 during mid Nov and moved up to Rs.54 in Jan and settled at Rs.52/52.50 now. It is not a big appreciation.

And if the fall in steel prices, cenvat reduction, etc, are included, the realisation should be much better and not worse.
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Yen may have appreciated against USD, but INR has depreciated big time against USD. In effect Yen has marginally moved against INR, so Honda is just using it as an excuse to increase the price.
marginally since Nov 2008, from 51.15 Rupee/100 yen in Nov 2008 to 53.35 in Feb 2009. But sharply depreciated from 38.9 in 4/2008.
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In Thailand, the Jazz is priced higher than our City model,” said Jnaneswar Sen, vice-president (sales and marketing), HSCI. The City is Honda’s best-selling model in the country.


“Though we don’t expect the Jazz to take over volumes of our City model, the hatchback will still create some volume for us,” said Takedagawa.
In other words, he's telling us that the Jazz will be expensive.
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In other words, he's telling us that the Jazz will be expensive.
My guess is that the top end jazz with paddle shift will be almost equal to ANHC E-MT or S-MT
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The glovebox lid can be opened and separated easily. An untrained accessory shop guy did it in front of my eyes in seconds. Your dealer is trying to rip you off.
Thanks, will try to do it me self then , I am about as untrained as the guy you mentioned.
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Honda raising prices of their range of vehiles ranging from 30K to 2.5L with currency rates fluctuating and import costs getting higher, which means honda cars are going to cost more then current with its CR-V getting raise to almost 2L, with other companies cutting rates, is this a good move by honda, or honda brand taking more premium??
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I too don't own a Honda. Pity like you, I am also not the 'enlightened one'.
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I came close to becoming one of the 'bakras' or 'enlightened ones' (depending on viewpoint) 4 years ago.
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My guess is that the top end jazz with paddle shift will be almost equal to ANHC E-MT or S-MT
+1 to that. That statement clearly indicates this.
Now Fiat has the opportunity to kill it by launching GP at a decent price. Lets see.
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Now that we know the price of the new accord, don't be surprised if the top end Jazz touches 8.5-9L OTR

I hope Fiat can kill the Jazz with sensible pricing using GP
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