Petrol pump cheating? - Team-BHP

loving_alaap · 1st April 2009, 13:01

Hi all,

Last night when i was filling petrol i have seen there are two pipes are joined together in a nozzle. (which is a common site)

One pipe is coming from main machine & other one is coming from a Green stand. (right side in pic) (may be for oil for 2T vehicles)

But during filling he has done something in that (may be the air flow-which is coming through nozzle with petrol, while meter is moving).

After filling the indicator had not gone to usual mark (less petrol is filled).

Almost all the petrol pump seems to be doing one or other kind of cheating with customers.

What are the other different ways?

Does as a TEAM we can do anything to stop that?

Mods: Please move the thread in proper segment.

dadu · 1st April 2009, 13:10

The other stand is used for mixing 2T oil while filling and does not work on vaccum but hydraulic pressure using the air pump.

Even if he lets it open for air, the air mixes with the fuel at the nozzle of the dispenser and by that time your fuel has been measured by the pump and displayed. So there should be no way to cheat on this.

Switch · 1st April 2009, 13:31

Well if you still are not satisfied then get your car filled at the pump where there are separate filling machines for 4wheelers and 2wheelers. Or simply get a 1 Ltr bottle and get it filled on the pump where two pipes are on the same nozzle.

I myself prefer filling my car from Company owned pumps rather then franchises.

asr245 · 1st April 2009, 13:47

That's a filling station for a 2T motor and it's a very standard way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switch

I myself prefer filling my car from Company owned pumps rather then franchises.

Hey, if your displayed location is correct, could you share which are the company owned outlets in the city?

ashthedivx · 1st April 2009, 14:30

It is indeed a two-wheeler filling station and looks normal to me. Though i believe new filling station including 2T mixed are on place for two-wheelers.

loving_alaap · 1st April 2009, 15:09

Well, i also know that other pipe is for oil for 2T scooters.

My question is weather an air can be pushed through it, so that along with petrol air is also coming out. So, with the same meter reading, less petrol is filled.

SirAlec · 1st April 2009, 15:12

why do they have to do such a thing, when they have better way to rigs their machine.

rrs1951 · 1st April 2009, 15:29

Yeah, it's the hose pipe for 2T oil which is used for scooters which require oil to be mixed with petrol. Shouldn't affect the metering of the petrol dispenser. I don't think there is any cause for worry.

esteem_lover · 1st April 2009, 15:31

We already have a thread discussing a similar topic. Here (Short Fueling Tricks At Petrol Stations)

mmmjgm · 1st April 2009, 16:03

Lol that's a 2T oil dispensing pump ! Don't tell me he pumped in 2T ?

There's that small glass jar which is connected to the smaller pipe going in to the dispenser nozzle. Now the attendant will fill in the required amount of 2T before beginning to pump in fuel into the vehicle (2 stroke vehicles, not 4 stroke vehicles).

The whole idea of this dual feed system is to uniformly mix 2T with the petrol.

You were lucky there was no 2T in the pipe, else the engine would have smoked.

Cheers

loving_alaap · 2nd April 2009, 14:04

Well again I am saying that he pumps air through the 2T nozzle, not the oil.

So the petrol & air both are running the meter!

karankapoor · 2nd April 2009, 14:07

is it possible air to run the meter i think no,and when there is no oil in the oil pump how is posible that it will run.

loving_alaap · 2nd April 2009, 14:59

Well he has done something with the 2T pipeline motor, so it has started.

And yes air can smoothly run a turbine present in the meter, instead of a liquid (i.e. petrol)

karankapoor · 2nd April 2009, 15:06

but how is it possible for the 2t pipe to run the petrol meter,it joins the petrol pipe at the nozzle and the meter is way far from it

Perakath · 2nd April 2009, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

We already have a thread discussing a similar topic. Here (Short Fueling Tricks At Petrol Stations)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirAlec

why do they have to do such a thing, when they have better way to rigs their machine.

Why petrol pumps even bother to cheat is beyond me. Do the attendants get some personal gain out of it?

I try not to worry too much about being cheated at petrol pumps. Ignorance is bliss. And as someone said on the other thread esteem_lover has linked to, the only ways to really avoid being cheated are:

(1) Obtain your own petrol pump
(2) Go abroad and use a self-service pump there
(3) Walk

1st April 2009, 13:01	#1 (permalink)
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 771	Petrol pump cheating? Hi all, Last night when i was filling petrol i have seen there are two pipes are joined together in a nozzle. (which is a common site) One pipe is coming from main machine & other one is coming from a Green stand. (right side in pic) (may be for oil for 2T vehicles) But during filling he has done something in that (may be the air flow-which is coming through nozzle with petrol, while meter is moving). After filling the indicator had not gone to usual mark (less petrol is filled). Almost all the petrol pump seems to be doing one or other kind of cheating with customers. What are the other different ways? Does as a TEAM we can do anything to stop that? Mods: Please move the thread in proper segment. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Ferrari Enzo

1st April 2009, 13:10	#2 (permalink)
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,880 View My Garage	The other stand is used for mixing 2T oil while filling and does not work on vaccum but hydraulic pressure using the air pump. Even if he lets it open for air, the air mixes with the fuel at the nozzle of the dispenser and by that time your fuel has been measured by the pump and displayed. So there should be no way to cheat on this. __________________ "I cannot be fair with everyone in Life" - dadu, 2001

1st April 2009, 14:30	#5 (permalink)
ashthedivx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,018	It is indeed a two-wheeler filling station and looks normal to me. Though i believe new filling station including 2T mixed are on place for two-wheelers. __________________ Ashish K "Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation."

1st April 2009, 15:09	#6 (permalink)
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 771	Well, i also know that other pipe is for oil for 2T scooters. My question is weather an air can be pushed through it, so that along with petrol air is also coming out. So, with the same meter reading, less petrol is filled. __________________ Ferrari Enzo

1st April 2009, 15:12	#7 (permalink)
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Queen of the Hills Posts: 1,723 View My Garage	why do they have to do such a thing, when they have better way to rigs their machine. __________________ Still! Living Life a quarter mile at a time.....post being Dad.

1st April 2009, 13:31	#3 (permalink)
Switch BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Noida, India Posts: 113	Well if you still are not satisfied then get your car filled at the pump where there are separate filling machines for 4wheelers and 2wheelers. Or simply get a 1 Ltr bottle and get it filled on the pump where two pipes are on the same nozzle. I myself prefer filling my car from Company owned pumps rather then franchises.

1st April 2009, 15:29	#8 (permalink)
rrs1951 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 28	Yeah, it's the hose pipe for 2T oil which is used for scooters which require oil to be mixed with petrol. Shouldn't affect the metering of the petrol dispenser. I don't think there is any cause for worry.

1st April 2009, 15:31	#9 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 6,266 View My Garage	We already have a thread discussing a similar topic. Here (Short Fueling Tricks At Petrol Stations) __________________ "Keep your friends close, Keep your enemies closer"

1st April 2009, 16:03	#10 (permalink)
mmmjgm BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 298	Lol that's a 2T oil dispensing pump ! Don't tell me he pumped in 2T ? There's that small glass jar which is connected to the smaller pipe going in to the dispenser nozzle. Now the attendant will fill in the required amount of 2T before beginning to pump in fuel into the vehicle (2 stroke vehicles, not 4 stroke vehicles). The whole idea of this dual feed system is to uniformly mix 2T with the petrol. You were lucky there was no 2T in the pipe, else the engine would have smoked. Cheers __________________ The Decision bell rings. It does.

2nd April 2009, 14:04	#11 (permalink)
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 771	Well again I am saying that he pumps air through the 2T nozzle, not the oil. So the petrol & air both are running the meter! __________________ Ferrari Enzo

2nd April 2009, 14:07	#12 (permalink)
karankapoor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: in the car!!! Posts: 1,530	is it possible air to run the meter i think no,and when there is no oil in the oil pump how is posible that it will run. __________________ P80RSII l ID Chameleon's l Genesis Dual Mono l ID Max l Genesis Dual Mono EXtreme l Kicker l Connection Audison l Dynamat

2nd April 2009, 14:59	#13 (permalink)
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 771	Well he has done something with the 2T pipeline motor, so it has started. And yes air can smoothly run a turbine present in the meter, instead of a liquid (i.e. petrol) __________________ Ferrari Enzo

2nd April 2009, 15:06	#14 (permalink)
karankapoor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: in the car!!! Posts: 1,530	but how is it possible for the 2t pipe to run the petrol meter,it joins the petrol pipe at the nozzle and the meter is way far from it __________________ P80RSII l ID Chameleon's l Genesis Dual Mono l ID Max l Genesis Dual Mono EXtreme l Kicker l Connection Audison l Dynamat Last edited by karankapoor : 2nd April 2009 at 15:08.

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