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Old 22nd May 2009, 15:48   #16
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add to that list the 1.2tsi from the vw polo which has abut 105 horses.
( when it does get launched in india some years after polo is initially launched with underpowered engines ! )

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Old 22nd May 2009, 17:09   #17
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Can somebody here lead me to understand the engines a little better than what i know? I am pretty new to the units & the understanding of the engines

basically what I am looking at is how would you say which engine is better by looking at its performance indicators?

PS: I know the basics of PS, CC, all that...Need more info, any article or link should help

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Month on Month Indian automobile Industry is seeing the launch of cars equipped with new 1.2 Litre petrol engines. This is being done to save the extra bit from the excise and make the car more competitive and VFM.

All most every Major Brand is offering something in this category. Here are the listed brands who are offering 1.2 Ltr Petrol Engines, some of them are already running on roads & some of them we could see in Coming few weeks :-

Chevrolet (U VA): 1.2, 76 PS with 110 Nm @ 4400 Rpm

Fiat (G. Punto) "Expected": 1.2 Fire, 61 PS with 101.68 Nm @ 2500rpm

Hyundai (i10 & i20): 1.2 Kappa, 80 PS with 114 Nm @ 4000rpm

Honda (Jazz) "Expected": 1.2 i-Vtec, 90 PS with 112Nm @ 4800 rpm

Maruti (Ritz): 1.2 K Series, 83 PS with 113Nm @ 4500rpm

Skoda (Fabia): 1.2 HTP, 70 PS with 108 Nm torque @ 3000 RPM

Tata (Indica): 1.2 Saffire, 65 PS with 96 Nm torque @ 5500 RPM


Out of all the above mentioned which one would you Pick ?
My Pick: Kappa followed by K series

For city driving: 1.2 Fire, 61 PS with 101.68 Nm @ 2500rpm because of peak torque delivery at lowest rpm

For city+highway: 1.2 Kappa, 80 PS with 114 Nm @ 4000rpm because of adequate power and peak torque at moderate rpm.

For highway: 1.2 i-Vtec, 90 PS with 112Nm @ 4800 rpm

Honourable mention: 1.2 K Series, 83 PS with 113Nm @ 4500rpm

If only it were not a Skoda: 1.2 HTP, 70 PS with 108 Nm torque @ 3000 RPM : On paper, this engine has the best balance of power and low-end torque for my liking.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 18:01   #19
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For engine: Jazz
For car as a package: Fabia (loads of features, quality interiors, ride and handling. NOT a VFM though). Third gear kick is very impressive. Just wish A.S.S was better.
For complete ownership experience : Ritz. Can't really go wrong with a Maruti.

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Old 22nd May 2009, 19:05   #20
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Nice thread. What's important is that some of the 1.2L engines are thoroughly modern, have decent pep (for the size) and are refined. My favorites : The Kappa and Maruti K Series are outstanding li'l units, though I'm pretty sure the Jazz 1.2 liter will be one to watch out for. The ones I'd give a miss from this list : UVA, Fabia and Vista.

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Can somebody here lead me to understand the engines a little better than what i know? I am pretty new to the units & the understanding of the engines
Power, refinement, driveability and fuel efficiency is what most of us are looking for.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 21:34   #21
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My gut feel is that the 1.2 iVTEC should be fun to drive.

: Doesn't mean I would pay 8L for the Jazz 1.2 - not unless it was feature loaded!
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Photofinish between i-vtec & Kappa, but in that i-vetc will win.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 01:09   #23
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1.2 Kappa first, Jazz second(maybe) and Ritz third.....

Meanwhile thats a good compilation.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 07:11   #24
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Oh there should have been a poll!

I haven't driven all these, so can't compare, but if speculation/ past trends/ on paper specs were to be considered.

I'd say Honda wins with is ivtec, followed by suzuki and then hyundai.
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Very happy with Chevrolet (U-VA): 1.2, 76 PS with 110 Nm @ 4400 Rpm, nothing to complain.

Waiting for GP, POLO and JAZZ. Will decide after that.

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I would sugest some thing here for that matter.All the said engines are good ones and from that the i-VTEC just because its a vtec-loves to be reveed hard,The kappa-new improved aluminium engine,The K series all aluminium DOHC engine are advanced foe sure.But the low end torque which many of us say is due to the lower gearing of the BOX than the power of the engine.The fuel efficiency of these are surely due to the technology of the engine.Both the kappa and the k are good for city due to the initial torque.The a-star with the K has an edge due to the great maneuverability.Its a breze on the highways too till around 130-140 range.The santro kappa has good in town manners and the highway performance is also similar to a-star.Jazz has yet to come to comment on the behaviour of the same.
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For city driving: 1.2 Fire, 61 PS with 101.68 Nm @ 2500rpm because of peak torque delivery at lowest rpm

For city+highway: 1.2 Kappa, 80 PS with 114 Nm @ 4000rpm because of adequate power and peak torque at moderate rpm.

For highway: 1.2 i-Vtec, 90 PS with 112Nm @ 4800 rpm

Honourable mention: 1.2 K Series, 83 PS with 113Nm @ 4500rpm

If only it were not a Skoda: 1.2 HTP, 70 PS with 108 Nm torque @ 3000 RPM : On paper, this engine has the best balance of power and low-end torque for my liking.
You want the engine with the peak torque at the lowest rpm for highway driving as well, or it'll be revving its nuts out at highway speeds, as is the case of the i-vtec here. Of course a lot depends on the gear ratios on the transmission too.

The Toyota Yaris (which is similar to the Honda Jazz here) is one of the worst cars to drive on the highway, since you're doing at least 3500 rpm at highway speeds (100-120 kph) and it's noisy as hell.
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A bit OT here, I was in canada last week and noticed quite a few hatchbacks there ..... Jazz, polo, sx4, yaris etc.
Was wondering if canada has always been hatchback-friendly (like Europe) or is it the recession effect.

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The Toyota Yaris (which is similar to the Honda Jazz here) is one of the worst cars to drive on the highway, since you're doing at least 3500 rpm at highway speeds (100-120 kph) and it's noisy as hell.
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The 1.2 iVtec. If UK Review is to be believed 1.2 Jazz can hit 0-100 in 12.x seconds and that would cream all the other engines in performance.
For many of the 1.2l engines (1.2l kappa, 1.2iVtec), the Indian versions have ~50cc less than the international versions, and the performance is not comparable. So, even the 1.2l kappa is praised in UK, but the Indian variant has been consistently reported as underpowered. We will have to see about the 1.2iVTEC - I think Honda will do better than Hyundai esp due to the iVTEC...
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My pick would be
1) Honda Jazz
2) Maruti Ritz
3) Kappa.

The fact that Kappa is not second is that the new Suzuki K-series motors are quite fun to drive and love to be revved. The japanese horses are also strong than Korean one that is what I have observed. K-series and Jazz engines are in different league as compared to Kappa as Kappa is not able to offer as strong top end as the K series.

K-series is more fun than Kappa.
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