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Old 11th June 2009, 15:03   #16
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Did anyone mentioned the "new Honda City i-vtec" for Govt. Use.
In Allahabad High court, Honorable Judges have been provided with the new honda city for replacement to their HM Ambassador car.

Sources say there are 80 Honda City ordered in first lot and around 50% are already delivered and are being used.

Small city with so many Honda City can easily be seen.
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Old 11th June 2009, 15:29   #17
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Guys I feel the HM Amby was nothing but a shroud of modesty worn at appropriate times by politicos in the new age India that pretension is being torn apart.

If they can just fix some upper ceiling for the cost of the car instead of choosing what should be driven. So different departments can choose whatever they want at district level ( based on individual whims and fancies and cuts /kickbacks)
This will be much better then someone at the top applying his /her whims and pocketing all the kickbacks / cuts from the mega purchase .

At least distributed bribes to smaller fish will remain in circulation with in country boosting economy rather then being siphoned off to Swiss or some carabian Islands bank.
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It seems that there is no one here on Team BHP who is familiar with the govt procurement process, I feel I need to shed some light on this.

There are two ways, one is the direct tender route and the other is through the DGS&D.

The Directorate General of Supplies and Disposals accepts tenders for various items and decides on the lowest rate and suppliers of that item for a one year period along with a standard set of terms and conditions in a standard form contract and this arrangement is referred to as the "Rate Contract".

Any Govt agency/Dept can purchase any item through the DGS&D based on the rate contract subject to internal policies regarding budgetary allocations.

Ford is only the latest entrant in the list of approved manufacturers, others already on the list include Hyundai, HM, Tata Motors and Maruti. OT, even the Karizma is on the list of approved items . So, for example, an officer who is entitled for a vehicle costing say 8.5 lakhs can actually opt from any of the above manufacturers.

btw, the rate contract rates are substantially less than the market rates. e.g the Fiesta SXi is available on rate contract for Rs 5,46,436 inclusive of taxes.
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It seems that there is no one here on Team BHP who is familiar with the govt procurement process, I feel I need to shed some light on this.

There are two ways, one is the direct tender route and the other is through the DGS&D.

The Directorate General of Supplies and Disposals accepts tenders for various items and decides on the lowest rate and suppliers of that item for a one year period along with a standard set of terms and conditions in a standard form contract and this arrangement is referred to as the "Rate Contract".

Any Govt agency/Dept can purchase any item through the DGS&D based on the rate contract subject to internal policies regarding budgetary allocations.

Ford is only the latest entrant in the list of approved manufacturers, others already on the list include Hyundai, HM, Tata Motors and Maruti. OT, even the Karizma is on the list of approved items . So, for example, an officer who is entitled for a vehicle costing say 8.5 lakhs can actually opt from any of the above manufacturers.

btw, the rate contract rates are substantially less than the market rates. e.g the Fiesta SXi is available on rate contract for Rs 5,46,436 inclusive of taxes.
Teknophobia is right on this.
This is the very process of procurement.
Recently Ford has entered the contract and vehicles have started to come in. Yesterday 4 new Ford Ikon's were delivered to Finance Ministry. The type of car depends on the cadre of the official. It can range from a swift to civic (yes honda too). Now government is offering officials to choose their ride as per the allowed expense. Amby is no more compulsory.
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The taxpayer money sucked dry due to corruption and scams is a lot lot bigger compared to the cost of a Fiesta or a Corolla.
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BTW, DGS & D rate contract is not available through all dealers. HM amby is available in South India only through a Chennai individual.

Dunno about other dealers. Most vehicle purchases are made only DGS & D; not through tender. Tendering is a singularly foolish idea - there is no point in issuing a tender for a "Brand X LXi version" car. Even for a "sedan".

What I want to know is are all variants available through DGS & D? Like I want a variant with ABS & airbags, would it be available?
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This kind of money spend is better than the ministers going on foreign jaunts. There are no recessions to the govt departments. They will do anything on tax payers money.
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This kind of money spend is better than the ministers going on foreign jaunts. There are no recessions to the govt departments. They will do anything on tax payers money.
Recession will never affect them. If the world goes for 10-20 years of recession then also they will have enough money to spend.
But if the recession continue for another 1-2 yrs then we will be not there to post comment on this FORUM
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BTW, DGS & D rate contract is not available through all dealers. HM amby is available in South India only through a Chennai individual.

Dunno about other dealers. Most vehicle purchases are made only DGS & D; not through tender. Tendering is a singularly foolish idea - there is no point in issuing a tender for a "Brand X LXi version" car. Even for a "sedan".

What I want to know is are all variants available through DGS & D? Like I want a variant with ABS & airbags, would it be available?
I was referring to the direct tender route as one of the methods used for Govt procurements, not specifically referring to vehicles. And I agree that issuing a tender for a car is a singularly foolish idea. Fiesta SXi is on the approved items list, and IIRC it comes with ABS standard, you can check out the list of approved items on the DGS&D web site with full technical specifications.
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Do you guys think that there can be an 'Exclusive' car for our Indian elite??
Just like, US has the Lincoln Town car so what would be the perfect indian counterpart considering all factors including the size, interiors and comfort??
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Do you guys think that there can be an 'Exclusive' car for our Indian elite??
Just like, US has the Lincoln Town car so what would be the perfect indian counterpart considering all factors including the size, interiors and comfort??
I was thinking similar too. If our babus were treated with respect and given adequate salary/perquisites then perhaps corruption maybe at a lesser level than what it is?. Every little bit helps. In all developed countries there is a healthy respect for authority and the benefits that come with the job, including automobiles which are treated as a reflection of their national automotive pride. Why then would Obama, QEII or Sarkozy travel in tailor made national marques?. Even a mayor in small town USA gets to ride in a stretch Town Car or Caddy. Here an Union Minister gets an ugly , archaic self effacing lump of tin on wheels that is ridiculed by every motoring person on this planet. Why would one care , if one was in Govt. here, about the job?. GOI till now didn't even provide decent wheels.

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There are two ways, one is the direct tender route and the other is through the DGS&D.

btw, the rate contract rates are substantially less than the market rates. e.g the Fiesta SXi is available on rate contract for Rs 5,46,436 inclusive of taxes.
Teknophobia, that's a sweet price This DGS&D Price is applicable through the Army/Air Force Canteen as well?
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Do you guys think that there can be an 'Exclusive' car for our Indian elite??
Just like, US has the Lincoln Town car so what would be the perfect indian counterpart considering all factors including the size, interiors and comfort??
They should be given some tractor so that they can go to all roads village to city and as well the HW. The should know the difficulty of all kind of people that we are facing.

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I was thinking similar too. If our babus were treated with respect and given adequate salary/perquisites then perhaps corruption maybe at a lesser level than what it is?.
Its all about the Kursi man (Chair). After the election they never look back to their promises and word for another 4 yrs. They are just busy in keeping their booty.

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Each government department gets certain budget at the begining of the car for its vehicles, which includes money for new purchase as well as maintenance.

Any manufacturer wanting to sell a car to the Govt has to themselves approved first by DGS&D which includes inspection of the product as well as manufacturing facilities. Once the manufacturer is DGS&D certified, they have to get a rate contract (generally valid for 2 years) made up. This rate contract which have the entire cost break-up and then the tax amount.

When the Government Babu wants to buy a vehicle, they are mandated by their conduct guidelines to procure something that is already approved by DGS&D and is on Rate Contracts unless the vehicle is needed for strategic military or security reasons and only in single digit numbers.

Because of the nature of discounts that need to be given to the Govt, Manufacturers have an absolutely stripped down version, which is not available through the dealer channel.
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Because of the nature of discounts that need to be given to the Govt, Manufacturers have an absolutely stripped down version, which is not available through the dealer channel.
Nope, sorry, the models come with the works and every model has a specific price and spec list, usually some extras come as well.
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