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Old 8th July 2009, 16:42   #91
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Checked the terminals, all OK.

Now will get the battery checked up also.

It is just that I am really paranoid after all my earlier problems.
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Sounds like a dead/dying battery. It's been nearly three years since you bought the car. It is possible that the thing is breathing it's last. The battery is not maintenance free. So if your idiot service center people didn't top up the fluid regularly, it won't last long.

Sorry to hear you keep having problems. :(
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Got the battery checked up at my battery guy, also a friend. Checked the cells (density of fluid), output voltage, and voltage on load. All were ok. The terminals were clean and tight. BUT I had driven 27 kms, from office, to the shop, so could be recharged.

Will take it for a test again in the morning to confirm the status of battery. Car is not giving any trouble while starting up in the mornings, but only later on.

Also, the fluid is regularly checked and topped up, in all my cars, by the driver.

But may most probably be a battery problem (keeping my fingers crossed that it is just that and not something more).

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I know what you are saying. Isn't it funny how the Honda warranty works?

Yet, I like to personalise my car as I am never happy with stock. I would rather not own a Honda than be so paranoid about making such so-called "un-authorised" modifications.

Come to think of it, alankarm has never made any mods, yet Honda has not been able to help him in the past (see his old posts). I breached the Honda warranty by putting 17 inch wheels and tyres on the Day 2 of purchase. So, I can't be bothered.

It also helps to be friendly with the Service Center guys
It really is funny. Someone changes Tyres/ Alloys,& Warranty is void & does not face any prob. Why?
Whereas the other do not do any mod, still face the issue, Honda/ Dealer does not own up the warranty replacement & charges the customer for petty items and also costlier items, and on top of that puts in spurious/ fake parts.
Whats happening? Where is Honda reliability which people believe with eyes shut?
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Went to their workshop at Jaipur yesterday. Seems to be a battery problem. Getting the battery replaced. Then lets see.

Also found out that a lot of the ANHCs were shipped with wrong batteries. 34 amp (I think) instead of 38 amp. Now these are being rectified under warranty at the dealer end, under warranty.
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34AH and 38AH is about the same. It is good they are replacing. I will be surprised if the manufacturing tolerances are even 10%.
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It really is funny. Someone changes Tyres/ Alloys,& Warranty is void & does not face any prob. Why?
You mean I should have problems. Just Kidding buddy. Honda cars ARE reliable worldwide and in India too. Nothing wrong with the product(s), just the services offered needs improvement. Touch Wood, everything has been smooth and have had no need for using my warranty or favours so far. I just returned from a 1100km three day trip and I couldn't be happier with my civic.
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@ S@~+#0$#

Dude, how do you remember your username when you want to log onto the forum?!
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Dude, how do you remember your username when you want to log onto the forum?!
OFF TOPIC:

Do you read Santhosh, in there? Thats how.
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Friends I am posting a TSB of Honda USA. They have recalled the 2006 model CIVIC for Tensioner Bolt and belt replacement (The same problem that I faced twice). At the end is the original TSB as an attatchment. I think we Indians have to suffer the LEGENDARY (lol) quality of HONDA in silence. They keep on screwing us and we keep on praising them.

Service Bulletin
2009 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved ATB 41157 (0901) 1 of 3
CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,
and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume
this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an
authorized Honda automobile dealer.
January 30, 2009
09-007
Applies To: See VEHICLES AFFECTED
Product Update: Drive Belt Auto-Tensioner Pivot Bolt Replacement
BACKGROUND
The current routing of the engine drive belt creates
extra force on the drive belt auto-tensioner. In rare
cases, this extra force could break the auto-tensioner
pivot bolt, causing an engine noise or a loss of power
steering.
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2006 Civic 2-Door:
From VIN 2HGFG1...6H500089 thru
2HGFG1...6H546702
2006 Civic 4-Door:
From VIN 1HGFA1...6L000001 thru
1HGFA1...6L082601
From VIN 2HGFA1...6H500011 thru
2HGFA1...6H517147
From VIN JHMFA1...6S000039 thru
JHMFA1...6S014045
2006 Civic GX:
From VIN 1HGFA4...6L000001 thru
1HGFA4...6L000026
Some of the vehicles affected by this product update
may be in your used vehicle inventory. These vehicles
must be updated before they are sold.
To verify vehicle eligibility, check for at least one of
these items:
• The customer has a notification letter.
• The vehicle is shown as eligible on a VIN status
inquiry.
In addition, check for a punch mark below the 13th
character of the engine compartment VIN. A punch
mark in that location means this product update has
already been completed.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Owners of affected vehicles will be sent a notification of
this product update. An example of the customer
notification is at the end of this service bulletin.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the auto-tensioner pivot bolt, and reroute the
drive belt. On vehicles with A/C, install a new drive belt.
PARTS INFORMATION
Auto Tensioner Pivot Bolt Kit:
P/N 04301-RNA-405, H/C 9175126
(Contains 10 mm pivot bolt and drive belt for
vehicles with A/C)
NOTE: The drive belt in this kit cannot be used on
vehicles without A/C.
REQUIRED SPECIAL TOOLS
Pulley Holder, T/N 07AAB-RNAA150
In June 2008, each dealer was sent a pack of five
pulley holders. To order additional pulley holders, use
normal parts ordering channels.
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
NOTE: This product update ends on January 30,
2012. After that, any applicable warranty would apply.
Operation Number: 1181L1
Flat Rate Time: 0.5 hour
Failed Part: P/N 04301-RNA-405
H/C 9175126
Defect Code: 5TT00
Symptom Code: R0100
Template ID: 09-007A
Skill Level: Repair Technician
2 of 3 09-007
REPAIR PROCEDURE
1. From above the engine, set a long-handled, boxedend
wrench on the drive belt auto-tensioner. Slowly
turn the wrench counterclockwise, then remove the
drive belt.
NOTE: On vehicles without A/C, the drive belt will
be reused.
2. Insert a pulley holder (see REQUIRED SPECIAL
TOOLS) into one of the holes in the water pump
pulley at the 12 o’clock position. The tool holds the
pulley so you can loosen or tighten the pulley bolts.
3. Remove the water pump pulley (three bolts).
4. Remove the pivot bolt from the drive belt autotensioner.
NOTE: In rare cases, the pivot bolt may be broken.
If this has happened, remove the auto-tensioner,
then remove the shank of the pivot bolt with Vise
Grips or by drilling it out. Do not try to repair the
engine block using a TIME-SERT. If you can’t
remove the shank of the pivot bolt, you would need
DPSM approval to install an engine short block
assembly.
WITHOUT A/C
WITH A/C
WITHOUT A/C
PULLEY
HOLDER
TOOL
WATER PUMP PULLEY
WATER PUMP
PULLEY BOLTS
14 N.m (10 lb-ft)
PIVOT BOLT
54 N.m (40 lb-ft)
09-007 3 of 3
5. Install a new pivot bolt on the auto-tensioner, and
torque it to 54 N.m (40 lb-ft).
NOTE: For important tips on correctly installing the
pivot bolt, refer to ServiceNews article A07030I,
Replacing the Drive Belt Auto-tensioner Pivot Bolt?
Read This First.
6. Reinstall the water pump pulley and its three bolts.
Insert the pulley holder in the 12 o’clock position to
keep the pulley from moving while you torque the
bolts to 14 N.m (10 lb-ft).
NOTE:
• The exact torque is critical for a successful
repair. To guarantee the correct torque, you
must use an accurately calibrated torque wrench.
It’s OK to use a crowfoot socket wrench with the
torque wrench.
• Do not install the drive belt before you torque the
pulley bolts. If you do, you won’t get accurate
torque readings.
• Remove the pulley holder after you torque the
pulley bolts.
7. On vehicles with A/C, route a new drive belt around
the engine pulleys as shown below. On vehicles
without A/C, route the original drive belt as shown
in step 1.
8. From above the engine, set a long-handled boxedend
wrench on the drive belt auto-tensioner. Slowly
turn the wrench counterclockwise, and slip the belt
over the auto-tensioner pulley. Release the autotensioner,
and remove the wrench.
9. Center-punch a completion mark below the 13th
character of the engine compartment VIN:
• Slide open the FRAME NUMBER door on the
center cowl cover.
• Use a long punch to reach the VIN.
February 2009
Product Update: Rerouting the Drive Belt
Dear Civic Owner:
This letter is to notify you of a potential problem with your
vehicle and what you should do to resolve it.
What is the problem?
The current routing of the engine drive belt creates extra
force on the drive belt auto-tensioner. In rare cases, this
extra force could break the auto-tensioner pivot bolt,
causing an engine noise or a loss of power steering.
What should you do?
Contact any authorized Honda dealer for an appointment
to have your vehicle updated. The dealer will install a new
auto-tensioner pivot bolt and reroute the drive belt,
installing a new belt if needed. This work will be done free
of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle at the dealer
for half a day to allow some flexibility in scheduling.
What to do if you feel this notice is in error
Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee
of a 2006 Civic involved in this product update. If this is
not the case, or the name/address information is not
correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postagepaid
Information Change Card. We will then update our
records.
This product update ends on January 30, 2012. After that,
any applicable warranty would apply.
If you have questions
If you have questions about this notice, or need help
contacting a Honda dealer, please call Honda Automobile
Customer Service at 800-999-1009.
We apologize for any inconvenience this product update
may cause you.
Sincerely,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Division
CROWFOOT
SOCKET WRENCH
TORQUE WRENCH
(Make sure it’s
properly calibrated.)
Example of Customer Letter
Center-punch here.
2HGFA1XXXXXXXXXXX
Attached Files
File Type: pdf a09-007.pdf (361.4 KB, 382 views)

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Old 21st July 2009, 08:54   #101
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Angry CIVIC -- Tensioner bolt problem and VEHICLE RECALL

Friends I am posting a TSB of Honda USA. They have recalled the 2006 model CIVIC for Tensioner Bolt and belt replacement (The same problem that I faced twice). At the end is the original TSB as an attatchment. I think we Indians have to suffer the LEGENDARY (lol) quality of HONDA in silence. They keep on screwing us and we keep on praising them.

How do I claim the amounts that I have paid to the dealers for these problems?

These problems have been hidden from us in India, and we are being made to go through hell. All TSBs (this and others) are available to Civic owners in the USA, through the Company or the Dealers or Forums-- 8thcivic forum (Mechanical Problems & Technical Chat - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum)

Service Bulletin
2009 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved ATB 41157 (0901) 1 of 3
CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment, and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an authorized Honda automobile dealer.
January 30, 2009
09-007
Applies To: See VEHICLES AFFECTED
Product Update: Drive Belt Auto-Tensioner Pivot Bolt Replacement
BACKGROUND
The current routing of the engine drive belt creates extra force on the drive belt auto-tensioner. In rare cases, this extra force could break the auto-tensioner pivot bolt, causing an engine noise or a loss of power steering.
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2006 Civic 2-Door:
From VIN 2HGFG1...6H500089 thru
2HGFG1...6H546702
2006 Civic 4-Door:
From VIN 1HGFA1...6L000001 thru
1HGFA1...6L082601
From VIN 2HGFA1...6H500011 thru
2HGFA1...6H517147
From VIN JHMFA1...6S000039 thru
JHMFA1...6S014045
2006 Civic GX:
From VIN 1HGFA4...6L000001 thru
1HGFA4...6L000026
Some of the vehicles affected by this product update may be in your used vehicle inventory. These vehicles must be updated before they are sold.

To verify vehicle eligibility, check for at least one of these items:
• The customer has a notification letter.
• The vehicle is shown as eligible on a VIN status inquiry.

In addition, check for a punch mark below the 13th character of the engine compartment VIN. A punch mark in that location means this product update has already been completed.

CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Owners of affected vehicles will be sent a notification of this product update. An example of the customer notification is at the end of this service bulletin.

CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the auto-tensioner pivot bolt, and reroute the drive belt. On vehicles with A/C, install a new drive belt.

PARTS INFORMATION
Auto Tensioner Pivot Bolt Kit:
P/N 04301-RNA-405, H/C 9175126
(Contains 10 mm pivot bolt and drive belt for vehicles with A/C)
NOTE: The drive belt in this kit cannot be used on vehicles without A/C.

REQUIRED SPECIAL TOOLS
Pulley Holder, T/N 07AAB-RNAA150
In June 2008, each dealer was sent a pack of five pulley holders. To order additional pulley holders, use normal parts ordering channels.

WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
NOTE: This product update ends on January 30, 2012. After that, any applicable warranty would apply.
Operation Number: 1181L1
Flat Rate Time: 0.5 hour
Failed Part: P/N 04301-RNA-405
H/C 9175126
Defect Code: 5TT00
Symptom Code: R0100
Template ID: 09-007A
Skill Level: Repair Technician
2 of 3 09-007

REPAIR PROCEDURE
1. From above the engine, set a long-handled, boxedend wrench on the drive belt auto-tensioner. Slowly turn the wrench counterclockwise, then remove the drive belt. NOTE: On vehicles without A/C, the drive belt will be reused.
2. Insert a pulley holder (see REQUIRED SPECIAL TOOLS) into one of the holes in the water pump pulley at the 12 o’clock position. The tool holds the pulley so you can loosen or tighten the pulley bolts.
3. Remove the water pump pulley (three bolts).
4. Remove the pivot bolt from the drive belt autotensioner. NOTE: In rare cases, the pivot bolt may be broken.
If this has happened, remove the auto-tensioner, then remove the shank of the pivot bolt with Vise Grips or by drilling it out. Do not try to repair the engine block using a TIME-SERT. If you can’t remove the shank of the pivot bolt, you would need DPSM approval to install an engine short block assembly.
WITHOUT A/C
WITH A/C
WITHOUT A/C
PULLEY
HOLDER
TOOL
WATER PUMP PULLEY
WATER PUMP
PULLEY BOLTS
14 N.m (10 lb-ft)
PIVOT BOLT
54 N.m (40 lb-ft)
09-007 3 of 3
5. Install a new pivot bolt on the auto-tensioner, and torque it to 54 N.m (40 lb-ft).
NOTE: For important tips on correctly installing the pivot bolt, refer to ServiceNews article A07030I, Replacing the Drive Belt Auto-tensioner Pivot Bolt?

Read This First.
6. Reinstall the water pump pulley and its three bolts. Insert the pulley holder in the 12 o’clock position to keep the pulley from moving while you torque the bolts to 14 N.m (10 lb-ft).
NOTE:
• The exact torque is critical for a successful repair. To guarantee the correct torque, you must use an accurately calibrated torque wrench. It’s OK to use a crowfoot socket wrench with the torque wrench.
• Do not install the drive belt before you torque the pulley bolts. If you do, you won’t get accurate torque readings.
• Remove the pulley holder after you torque the pulley bolts.
7. On vehicles with A/C, route a new drive belt around the engine pulleys as shown below. On vehicles without A/C, route the original drive belt as shown in step 1.
8. From above the engine, set a long-handled boxedend wrench on the drive belt auto-tensioner. Slowly turn the wrench counterclockwise, and slip the belt over the auto-tensioner pulley. Release the autotensioner, and remove the wrench.
9. Center-punch a completion mark below the 13th character of the engine compartment VIN:
• Slide open the FRAME NUMBER door on the center cowl cover.
• Use a long punch to reach the VIN.
February 2009
Product Update: Rerouting the Drive Belt
Dear Civic Owner:
This letter is to notify you of a potential problem with your vehicle and what you should do to resolve it.
What is the problem?
The current routing of the engine drive belt creates extra force on the drive belt auto-tensioner. In rare cases, this extra force could break the auto-tensioner pivot bolt, causing an engine noise or a loss of power steering.
What should you do?
Contact any authorized Honda dealer for an appointment to have your vehicle updated. The dealer will install a new auto-tensioner pivot bolt and reroute the drive belt, installing a new belt if needed. This work will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle at the dealer for half a day to allow some flexibility in scheduling.
What to do if you feel this notice is in error
Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee of a 2006 Civic involved in this product update. If this is not the case, or the name/address information is not correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postagepaid Information Change Card. We will then update our records.
This product update ends on January 30, 2012. After that, any applicable warranty would apply.
If you have questions
If you have questions about this notice, or need help contacting a Honda dealer, please call Honda Automobile Customer Service at 800-999-1009.
We apologize for any inconvenience this product update may cause you.
Sincerely,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Division
CROWFOOT
SOCKET WRENCH
TORQUE WRENCH
(Make sure it’s properly calibrated.)
Example of Customer Letter
Center-punch here.
2HGFA1XXXXXXXXXXX

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Did you try forwarding the same to Honda India? If already did, what was the response?
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that your VIN is affected by this( Surely yes) with interaction to Honda.

If response is not positive ,then consumer court is solution for you.
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The VIN given in the list will be for the US region- will the VIN of India-specific car be in that list? If the parts are the same, and the problem is the same, take it up...
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Like I mentioned in another thread, the part numbers and VINs will not match because the chassis codes are different. Ours is the Japanese FD1 chassis while the bulletin you posted applies for the FA1, which is the North American chassis. However, the problem is specific to the R18A engine, so the defect should apply, albeit mentioned in a different bulletin. The problem is convincing the dealers. You need to try and get a hold of a service bulletin for our chassis, or convince Honda-SIEL to take action on your behalf.

I know for a fact that the dealers have these bulletins with them. I've seen a couple myself at Peninsular Honda TVM. But you need people who understand what's written to take action. And this is a sad state of affairs in any brand's service centers and not just Honda.
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