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Old 13th September 2011, 12:15   #106
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Wow, at this moment I have mixed feelings. I am so happy and excited to see the SUV(?) coming back to life in latest avtar, like phoenix. This makes my expectations going thru the roof. But at the same time I am afraid too, I hope this is not another job done in hurry like previous time. TATA has track records of both phenomenal improvements and total goof up, hence the feeling.

@cardeep, thanks for the update mate.

My confusion has been confused further.

I was already tossing between XYLO E8 ABS and Innova G1 (Since max budget was around 11 lac). but if Grande comes with better interiors and rear spring suspension then I'd have to find a 3 faced coin and then start tossing again.....
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Old 13th September 2011, 12:53   #107
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The rear door seems to top-open like a hatch now.

ABS and better multilink rear suspnesion are a must to have on Grande refresh.2.

One can see the interior still has that yucky glovebox with huge panel gap.

Good QC fit and finish, soft touch plastic, Reasonable cubby holes, good glove box, Underseat storage tray, Steering mount audio controls, good music system like the one on Manza/vista along with good dash board - few of the must on the Grande's interiors.

To make it sell in decent volumes More importantly aggressive pricing and 4 years standard unlimited mileage warranty

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The rear door seems to top-open like a hatch now.
It was anyways a hatch even in the older Grande MARK II.
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cant find any info about the grande turbo from the tata site.
If it exists, tata should advertise it !
Grande Turbo is the economy version. It comes with the old 2.0 litre IDI engine which powered the Sumo Turbo, Sierra Turbo and did duty in the Safari. It is a BS3 engine.

The Grande is available in 3 varaiants - Ex, Lx, Cx, the Ex being the tope -end one.

The Price of Ex is about 40 K less than the LX model of the DICOR.
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The rear door seems to top-open like a hatch now.

ABS and better multilink rear suspnesion are a must to have on Grande refresh.2.

One can see the interior still has that yucky glovebox with huge panel gap.

Good QC fit and finish, soft touch plastic, Reasonable cubby holes, good glove box, Underseat storage tray, Steering mount audio controls, good music system like the one on Manza/vista along with good dash board - few of the must on the Grande's interiors.

To make it sell in decent volumes More importantly aggressive pricing and 4 years standard unlimited mileage warranty

Personally, I feel the multilink suspension is very likely though I am not expecting of ABS. Panel gaps are something you must learn to live with, if you want to buy a TATA, even area has them. Better quality interiors, just as you have listed them, can be expected. The pricing would remain unchanged, so will be the warranty.

My intuition says it will be a improvement over MK II but still won't be a perfect product, like innova or scorpio.
The story of sumo grande to grande MK II will be repeated, even at the sales.
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Old 14th September 2011, 01:38   #111
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Seeing the history I can expect the changes in suspension and mechanicals but I doubt they will do anything for interior plastics fit and finish. That is least priority item in TML's laundry list.

They sold safari in various avtars and engines over the year bu tnever bothered about the plastics so there is not reason to be hopeful for Grande. Only in cases where vehicle is entierly new like Aria or Manza plastics were also new age.
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The main problem with the GRANDE is the price. Its too costly, its more like a SAFARI wannabe than a SUMO replacement.

See one in black, the vehicle looks awesome. Other colours don't seem to do justice to it.

Another point is that it is targetting INNOVA customers and that's where it loses hands down. What Customers think is for a a few thousands more in EMI they can actually get an INNOVA
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No surprises here. One look and you know why its a flop. Makes me cringe when I see one on the road. Plus the pricing. No point of an extensive thread for this IMO.
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No surprises here. One look and you know why its a flop. Makes me cringe when I see one on the road. Plus the pricing. No point of an extensive thread for this IMO.
+1 to that. Hideous looks, same dated mechanicals, copious amounts of body roll and tacky plastics coupled with the complete destruction of the original Sumo character and toughness are reasons enough for the Grand failure of the Grande.
Doesn't really require a thread to analyse it.
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Good news if it is coming with a better rear suspension.

True, it looks better in black, here is mine :
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...True, it looks better in black, here is mine :
Lovely machine, ashutoshb . In addition to the black colour, i think the wonderful alloys/tyres add to the character of your Grande.

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Good news if it is coming with a better rear suspension.
True, it looks better in black, here is mine :
That does look gorgeous. Are you happy with its performance overall? Average?
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Good news if it is coming with a better rear suspension.

True, it looks better in black, here is mine :
Wow, ashu I didn't know you went for grande, I thought you were mahindra fan. Your machine looks stunning. Do you have a ownership thread? I am sure many other would love to know about it. Are those tyres stock or upsized?
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That leaves you with the enthusiasts who are looking for an SUVish kind of vehicle at a comparatively low cost. Unfortunately the Sumo brand with its boxy look, leaf spring suspensions etc. will never fit that category. Also, if they could spend something close to 7 lakhs on a Grande they would rather stretch a little more and look into the entry level Safari class (and now Scorpio as well).
I might have a different view on that

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travel...ml#post4044084 (Jurassic Park: Bangalore - Munnar - Marayur - Valparai - Chalakudy - Thrissur in a Tata Sumo)
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Ugly car. Terrible handling. No finesse. Mushy and Fuzzywuzzy gearbox. No 4WD. Antediluvian suspension and ergonomics. Perception of Tata's service as opposed to others.

End of the day, the Grande was always up against the Scorpio and the Scorpio just won hands down. Same comparo happened with the Safari and again the Scorpio just ticked more boxes for the majority of the buyers.
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