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Old 1st July 2009, 17:14   #46
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The price is still sensible compared to competition. I am glad they didn't do anything crazy with the price.

Power - 119bhp to 163.5bhp (that's a big jump)
Torque - 170Nm to 225Nm (could have been better)

I suspect people are still going to complain about interiors. If there was a diesel option, it would have murdered the competition.
Current motor :
120 bhp from 1995 cc = 60.15 bhp/ltr.
170 Nm from 1995cc = 85.21 Nm/trl.

Now the new motor is 2393cc, so :
163.5 bhp from 2393cc = 68.32 bhp/ltr.
225 Nm from 2393cc = 93.6 Nm/ltr.

So its better than what the current 2.0 affords.
Buy agree with you that torque could have been better considering that this engine has VVT. Internationally the motor makes 169 bhp I think, but the engine is again detuned for India.

1.9D with VGT would simple kill almost all SUV from Rs. 15 lakh to 22-23 lakh.

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Do you have any idea when?I am looking to buy the SX4 next month.

Can wait if they launch the VVT one.
Have a look at this thread : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ne-lineup.html

Here it is mentioned that the VVT equipped M16A is coming in March 2010, but I think that Maurti can come up with it faster considering the competition.
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how much grunt (read: bhp / N-m) does the CRV 2.4 have..??
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how much grunt (read: bhp / N-m) does the CRV 2.4 have..??
CRV has 161 bhp and 217.56 Nm torque from 2354cc.
So its 68.39 bhp/ltr and 92.42 Nm torque/ltr.
Its an even match with Suzuki giving better torque atleast on paper.
But even with 2.0 ltr motor, GV was 1594 kg and I think CRV is 1535 kg.
So even with 2.4 I am not expecting GV to beat CRV for performance, but GV will be a lot better to drive with 2.4.
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wow- that should level the playing field - although GV is much cheaper - lets see..

btw - more salient features:
  1. The interior display has been enhanced with a new Multi Information Display (MID).
  2. There is a centre speaker on the dash board along with a 6-CD changer.
  3. Improved acoustics and a redesigned power train have helped reducing NVH.
  4. A new front grille and front bumper along with the 17 inch alloy enhance the exterior look.
  5. Rear disc brakes have been added to the overall Suzuki Safety System
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164 horses! The new GV is going to be a stonker of an SUV! I only hope the engine is refined at high rpms, and exudes that "premium" feeling.
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If there was a diesel option, it would have murdered the competition.
Not really... with 4X4 enthusiasts like you and me who know what GV is capable of... yes... but to 99% of the population out there it doesnt really matter. If Captiva hasnt been able to kill the competition, expecting the same from GV is quite frankly pointless.
We also have to keep in mind that this is a 'Maruti' which isnt a premium brand.
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If Captiva hasnt been able to kill the competition,
on the contrary Captiva has been doing descent and has affected CRV sales to a large extent.
pre-Captiva CRV was doing around 250 - 400 units a month
arrive Captiva (200 - 250 units a month) and CRV has been hit.

an interesting point to note is that Honda hasnt sold (reported) 0 sales of CRV in the last 2-3 months - maybe an upgrade is due ?? dont know - mere speculation..
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Not really... with 4X4 enthusiasts like you and me who know what GV is capable of... yes... but to 99% of the population out there it doesnt really matter.
Actually, it matters BIG time. To many - including myself - big SUV = diesel. Of course, there is an advantage in certain offroad conditions with all that additional torque.

However, even outside of offroading, SUVs are guzzlers (thanks to all that weight). A diesel is preferred due to the superior fuel efficiency and longer fuel tank range. The load-lugging capability is better as well (more passengers, baggage etc.).

There are hardly any successful petrol UVs in the Indian market. CRV is the only exception. List of flops include petrol Safari, Qualis, Scorpio, Grand Vitara, Outlander and more. As of today, a majority of UVs / SUVs are diesel (Captiva, Pajero, best-selling Endeavour, Innova, Scorpio, Safari, Tavera etc.).
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There is a centre speaker on the dash board along with a 6-CD changer.
Some nice additions to the GV. This should up its snob value a bit!
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on the contrary Captiva has been doing descent and has affected CRV sales to a large extent.
pre-Captiva CRV was doing around 250 - 400 units a month
arrive Captiva (200 - 250 units a month) and CRV has been hit.

an interesting point to note is that Honda hasnt sold (reported) 0 sales of CRV in the last 2-3 months - maybe an upgrade is due ?? dont know - mere speculation..
Only affected, not 'killed'
You have to keep in mind that Captiva is cheaper, runs on diesel and to me even looks much better and to top it all has seven seats.
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Only affected, not 'killed'
You have to keep in mind that Captiva is cheaper, runs on diesel and to me even looks much better and to top it all has seven seats.
absolutely with you on this one...
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Great specs! But the price will be 20L+ OTR in Bangalore :-(

How I wish that I were staying in Delhi/NCR.
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With the new 2.4 coming in - MSIL may ask Dealers to sell/get rid of their old 2.0 L Test Drive Vehicles.
There might be some in good condition and at a reasonable price - check with your nearest dealers.
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With the new 2.4 coming in - MSIL may ask Dealers to sell/get rid of their old 2.0 L Test Drive Vehicles.
There might be some in good condition and at a reasonable price - check with your nearest dealers.
For everyones info - I found out there were two vehicles lying with MSIL - both Manual - in white and silver. I am the recent proud owner of the silver one. I can inform you that the white one is in Mumbai with Automotive in Mahim. If you interested, you can speak to the dealer and im sure he can offer a good discount. I got 1.3L off the ex showroom for mine plus SGP mud flaps. Good Luck !
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Great specs! But the price will be 20L+ OTR in Bangalore :-(
no idea about the taxation in Bangalore, but my sources tell me the ex-show Bangalore for MT is 16.97 and AT is 18.27.

it will be 30k more than Delhi / NCR.
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