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Old 4th December 2009, 20:04   #31
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Ok, I an NEVER going to buy a GM car in my life.

The crappy quality is reason enough, but avoiding an enterprise owned by a country that claims an Indian state as it's own and arms terrorist proxy states in India's neighborhood is pretty good motivation as well.

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Guys, sorry for being OT here but just to bring to your notice that when someone pointed out if Expats would come and work here. Yes, expats may come but they may not be Chinese. Indian Govt. has made sure that getting an employment visa for Chinese nationals is a pain in the A$$ and takes any where between for 4-8 weeks for an approval to come through. Guess what, the visa is valid only for 3 months single entry.
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As someone pointed out, this makes me wonder what must have been the reaction of people when TATA bought JLR. lol
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As someone pointed out, this makes me wonder what must have been the reaction of people when TATA bought JLR. lol
An INDIAN company bought JLR. Great!

That was my reaction. To me there's no point in comparing that deal with this one.
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It really pains me to see that GM has chosen a Chinese partner for the Indian market. I find no logic in this venture at all. I'm sure there are a lot of Indian millionaires and billionaires who had the moolah to pitch in on this deal. They would have made worthier partners for GM, IMHO
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The Chinese owning 50%of GM India is just the beginning. With GMs inherent talent of mismanagement they will soon be in another financially precarious solution.

At this point SAIC will buy a further 1-2% in GM India and grab the controlling stake; making this a Chinese co. This has already happened in China where SAIC have taken over the controlling stake and gave GM some money as compensation ($85 mill. to be precise).

GM has given the reason that the collabration will give the acess to new small cars which is a poor excuse. GM India has a decent car line up but still fail to move them of the showrooms. They have three small cars in the UVA, Spark and the new Beat, whats the use of bringing in poorer chinese copies and dilute the brand value.
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Ok, I an NEVER going to buy a GM car in my life.

The crappy quality is reason enough, but avoiding an enterprise owned by a country that claims an Indian state as it's own and arms terrorist proxy states in India's neighborhood is pretty good motivation as well.
Chill man . If this is the case stay away from:

From Apple iMac/iPods/iPhones to just about everything. The list is endless. It's hard to digest that there something "Chinese" in our life and its a truth. Today Chinese manufacture just about everything and more than often they provide quality at rock bottom price. that's why they are attracting just about everybody in every field and they're growing.

As long as we are getting world class products at best prices, why complain! It's upto others to catch up with them. In business, there are no emotions.
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Chill man . If this is the case stay away from:

From Apple iMac/iPods/iPhones to just about everything. The list is endless. It's hard to digest that there something "Chinese" in our life and its a truth. Today Chinese manufacture just about everything and more than often they provide quality at rock bottom price. that's why they are attracting just about everybody in every field and they're growing.

As long as we are getting world class products at best prices, why complain! It's up to others to catch up with them. In business, there are no emotions.
ok speaking in term of apple iMac/iPods/iPhones. i think people are happy to buy a ipod made in china but if a Chinese company is buying a controlling stake in apple and selling inferior clones of sony/samsung rebranded as apple i bet there will be few takers for the product.
similarly people are afraid here that the standard of GM cars might go down!
agreed there is some quality in chinese electronic items as they are easy to clone/produce but automobiles is a different cup of tea!
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Its appalling that we consider anything Chinese as being inferior. In that case we should feel doubly ashamed about everything Indian?

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automobiles is a different cup of tea!
Do you really think so? They are pretty close to (if not right up there!) the front runners in electronics to heavy engineering (behind Korea though). Japanese and Koreans envy them in many fields. Automobile engineering is not a rocket science and what makes you think they're going to launch shoddy clones of GM automobiles?

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similarly people are afraid here that the standard of GM cars might go down!
I think these "thinking" people will be better off once they get to know about the electronic and mechanical prowess of Chinese! The problem is these people think to much! What if British think of us a same way when TM acquired JLR?

Just a small hint - Waive of anti dumping duties against various chinese products for an year and they have our local industries run for cover. I think this speaks a lot for what they're capable of. They are gunning for value for money segment and intend to re-define them. At the end of the day, it's good for end customer.
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An INDIAN company bought JLR. Great!

That was my reaction. To me there's no point in comparing that deal with this one.

That was YOUR reaction, not the reaction of people living outside India. I am pretty sure people would rather have had JLR bought by some Chinese company than an Indian one. No offense to anyone, if you have ever been to China, you would realize that they are par if not a lil ahead of the world. Just because they make products cheap, pricewise, doesnt mean they cant produce quality products. Their quality is anyday better than ours, or even half the worlds.
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Has anybody here tried living with a split and or badly cut finger nail?

I have. Every time I tried to cut my nails with a nail cutter which did not have markings in Mandarin.

And does anybody here know what poor souls who did not have relatives in the West to gift them Parker pens used to write with?

Made in China Hero pens.

I am not speaking of post-liberalisation India. I am describing MyLife(TM) in socialist no-imports India of 1980s.

Even today, I need help from the Chinese to swat the pesky Mosquitoes. I need the Chinese to keep my kids smiling. Almost every toy, branded or unbranded, comes from China. I need the Chinese to stay connected to the Net. The keyboard I am typing this on is made in China. Dummit. Even the ADSL routers are made in China.

And I care two hoots if the Dot, like most of you guys and gals here do not like the Chine because you fear that they will take over this country or the world. The west too is trying to do that, and why dont you people care about that? Remember that we are always in in the middle, no pun intended.

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That was YOUR reaction, not the reaction of people living outside India. I am pretty sure people would rather have had JLR bought by some Chinese company than an Indian one.
If you replace the word PEOPLE with INDIANS you will get the typical Indian mentality. As far as the British press is concerned, I've seen many articles where Mr. Ratan Tata's statement ("These are two British marques with unique heritage and value and they must be nurtured and nourished with this factor in mind") highlighted with absolute prominence.

Look at the BBC report of last week and that of an Indian site:
BBC News - Jaguar Land Rover see sales rise, boosting Tata profits
Jaguar-Land Rover?s profit and loss statement is a mirage - Money Matters - livemint.com

As you can see the Indian/US reporter has totally failed to see the meaning of "VALUE" in Mr. Tata's statement. He's criticizing Tata Motor's debt, which is actually created by Ford.

Nakamichi was the OEM ICE for Lexus till 2000. In 1999, Nakamichi was acquired by Grande Holding, a Chinese group. Within six months Lexus replaced Nakamichi with Mark Levinson. Now see where Nakamichi is, compared to Levinson...

@Backseatdriver, Can you name the brand of your keyboard? Apple keyboards are designed inhouse by Apple, MS and Logitech are equipped with their own RD. The Chinese only assemble them...

Blame the crap socialism that our governments preached for your broken nails, till we got Mr. Rao (the greatest PM of India).

Hero is a cheap imitation of the Parker 51. Parker was making the 51 here in India till 1963 and it was available throughout India. (My grandfather was the distributor of Parker in Kollam district, Kerala). In 1963, the government ordered Parker to shut shop as it was an MNC and maybe making pens in private sector is against Socialist ideology. So they left India and we ended up with the cheap chinese imitation. It seems that the story will get repeated again....

No offence to anyone.

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Do you really think so? They are pretty close to (if not right up there!) the front runners in electronics to heavy engineering (behind Korea though). Japanese and Koreans envy them in many fields. Automobile engineering is not a rocket science and what makes you think they're going to launch shoddy clones of GM automobiles?

I think these "thinking" people will be better off once they get to know about the electronic and mechanical prowess of Chinese! The problem is these people think to much! What if British think of us a same way when TM acquired JLR?
That is an absolute piece of junk that you've written. A smattering of exclamation marks doesn't always make for a convincing post. The only thing that Korea and Japan might feel jealous about the Chinese is to not have a humongous captive labour force that large companies could exploit.

Automobile engineering may not be rocket science, but it is nearly impossible for a Chinese company to come out with an indepedently engineered product. Electronic and mechanical prowess, that's bullshit. China doesn't have anything that it can call it's own in terms of design and engineering. If you meant by infrastructure in cities like Shanghai (by the way, I have been there and it is impressive), it has very little to do with their "engineering" prowess, most of the designs and equipment used was Japanese in origin.

Sorry for being OT, but this took the cake.


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That is an absolute piece of junk that you've written. A smattering of exclamation marks doesn't always make for a convincing post.
That's your opinion

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The only thing that Korea and Japan might feel jealous about the Chinese is to not have a humongous captive labour force that large companies could exploit.
Again that's their problem! Actually a very good excuse you can say.
How many Japs are setting up their operations in PRC by the way?

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Automobile engineering may not be rocket science, but it is nearly impossible for a Chinese company to come out with an indepedently engineered product.
Completely Illogical statement!

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Electronic and mechanical prowess, that's bullshit. China doesn't have anything that it can call it's own in terms of design and engineering.
Again an Illogical statement.

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If you meant by infrastructure in cities like Shanghai (by the way, I have been there and it is impressive), it has very little to do with their "engineering" prowess, most of the designs and equipment used was Japanese in origin.
No, I didn't meant that

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Sorry for being OT, but this took the cake.
Sorry for OT but you should enjoy your cake too!
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