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Old 31st August 2009, 10:55   #181
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@ stanjohn, I don't think anybody has the 'right' to own a car.

Maybe as a forum of car enthusiasts might think otherwise, and even I do at times. But I feel that it's a privilege and it has to be earned.

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Old 31st August 2009, 11:03   #182
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Its all got to do with the market size. More companies are not in India which is not providing a healthy competitive environment.
You cant expect all companies to come and start investing in manufacturing with the dismal numbers they get barring a few segments.
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Old 31st August 2009, 11:10   #183
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I would lay blame squarely on companies and consumer's tendency of costly thus good.

Tax is not the sole reason to milk customers. The outragious premium pricing is the real cause
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Old 31st August 2009, 12:08   #184
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we have been ripped off for a long time now

taxes, cess, surcharges etc that we pay, never come back in the form of proper infrastructure and safe driving environment etc.

We pay Road Tax on new vehicles for proper, well maintained, well lit roads - I d like to see a few "proper roads" in Bangalore, where the highest road tax applies.

Cost of fuel is highest here in Bangalore/ Karnataka - made so to an extent by the Infrastructure Cess levied on fuel.

This has been levied since 2002-2003 as far as I know. So where is the infrastructure?

As long as we have parochial politics and people like HDD and HDK around, this is not going to change.

Public-Private partnership is one way of getting things done.

Stopping the building/ construction mafia is definitely necessary.

We need an educated, empowered "corporation" and "town planning" department -

We would benefit so much from a first class resource like Ms Sheila Dixit!
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Old 31st August 2009, 14:40   #185
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We pay Road Tax on new vehicles for proper, well maintained, well lit roads - I d like to see a few "proper roads"...
Londoners used to say the same thing! Our pot holes might not have compared with Indian ones, but there was a period when London's road maintenance was very poor.

Now they don't have roads: they have bus and cycle lanes, with some small space left for cars when they are lucky!
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Is that after considering the indian-paki rupee currency exchange rate Pakistani rupee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yup that's considering the xchange rate in mind

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I think the best solution is to shift to the techologically advanced transport like bullock carts and cycles
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Old 9th March 2010, 04:17   #188
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Cars in India are cheaper than total cost of ownership in Singapore AFAIK.
+1 deepakvrao.
We must be happy that the cars are not costlier than Singapore. Being a city-state they import all cars from europe/japan/malaysia. They have something called as COE - Certificate of Entitlement which is valid for 10 yrs which is like S$20000+ for cars below & above 1600cc plus the 100% duty on the car price .
Running cost as well is quite exorbitatnt , thanks to the parking charges & ERP (Electronic Road Pricing) plus strict traffic rules

Inspite of all these factors for a population of 5 mil there are 1.2 mil vechicles as per the statistics from July 2009.
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Old 17th March 2011, 22:27   #189
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Despite the 'ripoff' there are soo many vehicles on the road, hadn't it been for the 'rip off' there'd hardly be any roads to drive your car. it would be one permanent gridlock.
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I am just wondering why Toyota Corolla costs around 12 lakhs in India, but just around 7 Lakhs (upon conversion from USD) in the US. Similar is the case with Honda Civic. I do understand that it is to do something with the economy of scale. But still I am not able to digest the near 100% increase in the cost.

For example Civic sold around 19000 in the US in Feb 2011, while City and Civic together sold around 3500 at the same time in India. If Honda and Toyota price their cars, (Civic and Corolla) at a price below 10 lakhs, won't they sell like hot cakes that would boost the sales figures?

Corolla being a basic car in many western countries is positioned as a premium car in India. Is this not demeaning India? Thoughts please.

Just now saw another thread here opened a long while back - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/collec...ipped-off.html. And this is still active.

Hence, can the mods merge this with that one.

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Old 30th March 2011, 03:25   #191
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Import duties are there to make sure that those car manufacturers invest in India and create employment for our population. However even if they can produce the car in India at a lower cost considering the cheap labour and cheap raw materials, they still sell that at a premium. When will this change?
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Its not the manufacturers, its the taxes that make the cars expensive. I think the reasons are stated pretty clearly in the other thread.
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Its not the manufacturers, its the taxes that make the cars expensive. I think the reasons are stated pretty clearly in the other thread.
I don't think taxes could add 100% to the cost. Also if the cars are made in India, due to lower cost of production and lesser levies the cost should come down naturally.
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I guess the companies would justify the higher cost of cars in india for - higher tax+higher Salary for employees+higher cost of setting up facilities(again tax etc)+higher transport cost(distribution)+hgiher number of varient/numbers sold+...
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I guess the companies would justify the higher cost of cars in india for - higher tax+higher Salary for employees+higher cost of setting up facilities(again tax etc)+higher transport cost(distribution)+hgiher number of varient/numbers sold+...
Higher Tax - Actually many of the car companies get a lot of tax sanctions in the name of liberalized economy and govt. promoting industrial growth. E.g., Hyundai in Chennai.

Higher Salary for employees - Do you mean to say that an average american automobile blue collar gets less than that in India? Then american's can get a work permit and work in India. :-)

Higher cost of setting up facilities - I know that the govt. bureaucracy/babudom certainly put hurdles on the way. But conditions have improved a lot with SEZs and other such initiatives. But cost cannot be more than that of setting up a plant in the US/Europe.

Higher transport cost - Cost can never be higher than that in US/Europe. But there are infrastructure challenges like good roads.

Higher numbers sold - Yes, there is a challenge. And my question is basically around this. If the cars are more affordable, there will be large numbers selling. So at a lesser cost of production and large numbers selling the price can certainly come down.
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