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Old 16th November 2009, 19:10   #1
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Default RTO asks for NOC Number. I don't have it!

Is there something like a number associated with an NOC for a vehicle
transfer from one state to another?

I've got NOCs from two different Bangalore RTOs for transferring my vehicles
to WB. None of the two NOCs has any number on it, only a date.

I've submitted my application and all documents to the Siliguri, WB, RTO for
transfer. They are insisting that there must be NOC numbers, whatever
they are. Otherwise they won't proceed with my applications! The Siliguri
RTO wants me to write to the Bangalore RTOs for the NOC numbers myself.

The Bangalore AASI informs me that no numbers are given on NOCs issued by
Karnataka RTOs. They also assured me that the RTOs won't respond to any
letters from me in this regard . Letters would have to come officially from
the WB RTO itself to the Bangalore RTOs to have any effect. The Siliguri
RTO could just as well call up the Bangalore RTOs for clarification and
confirmation, but they would not do it, for whatever reason!
I'm at a loss now, and mad at being given the run around.

Any suggestions from members for further steps will be much appreciated. Thanks.

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meerkat, I transferred my car from Bangalore to WB ( Barrackpore RTO) recently.

There's nothing like a NOC number on form 28. Just the date,vehicle and owner details, and the name of the destination RTO.

I think the RTO fellas are ignorant - or what's more likely - trying to harass you for money. Have you met the ARTO officer ? The clerks may be just trying to harass you.

You can write a letter to the RTO commisioner ( writers bldg ) , copy to the ARTO officer if nothing works out.

The only thing the Siliguri RTO should be verifying is the genuineness of the NOC issued by the Bangalore RTO by sending them a letter - that's all they need to do as per the provisions of the MV Act.

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Thanks sdp1975. That the "NOC number" is mandatory, came from the
ARTO himself! I don't know what to make of it.

The Siliguri RTO could not bother itself to send the NOC-genuineness
confirmation letters to the Bangalore RTOs. I had to send it on their behalf
(of course, with the ARTO's signature)! I'd think this itself should suffice.
But what do I know? Also, there is a 30 day waiting period for the response.

Do you have the full address of the RTO commisioner ( writers' bldg )? Or is it
enough to just write to him addressed to the writers' bldg.? Would he
respond? Is there an email address?

Thanks again.
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I googled but didn't find the address for WB - it's there for Karnataka/AP - I thought it would be available for WB but it's not. The main idea was to escalate it so that the ARTO would work on it instead of showing excuses.

How about approaching an agent to sort it out ? Isn't it money that they're asking for ?
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I'd like to escalate it, if I knew how, and to whom I should write, and expect a response!

Yeah, money is likely the issue. But the agents are asking 10k for a car & a bike transfer!
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I will tell you what to do. Buy a Rs.5 RTI form and fill it and send it to the local RTI official. Period. Ask them what is the actual procedure when the Karnataka RTO very specifically mentions that there is no serial number or any such thing for the NOCs and secondly they do not respond to individuals but only to the other RTOs.

Thereafter the relevant RTI official will do the needful.
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Any RTO will make an entry of the NOC in its books / registrar. Could he possibly have meant the registrar book (and page) number?

For example, when one gets documents notarised, atleast in Mumbai, the book & page number of the notary registrar book are important to have (on the documents you just got notarised).
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Either for transferring the registration or transferring one's driving licence from one state to another state, The RTO(where one want the transfer effected) definitely need the NOC sent to him directly by the other RTO Office. If you hand over the NOC directly then again they will ask for Genuiness certificate. So it all consume more time.

Last year, When I want to transfer my DL from chennai to my native place, I approached Automobile Association of Southern India, chennai (with whom I am a life member) to do the needful. I forwarded them the Original DL and required forms duly signed alongwith an authorisation letter to AASI to do the work on behalf of me. Within 7 days, AASI completed the formalities and sent to me the NOC which I, through one of my friend (who regulalry goes to RTO), submitted to the RTO office here. After one month waiting, I have checked for the status but shocked to hear that the they didnt consider the NOC submitted by me is genuine hence written a letter direct to RTO Chennai.

I again contacted AASI chennai and explained the situation and gave the RTO office address. AASI somehow managed to get a Genuiness certificate and they did post it directly to RTO here. It took another one month to get my new DL.

So there will be delay always to get this kind work done !
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Any RTO will make an entry of the NOC in its books / registrar. Could he possibly have meant the registrar book (and page) number?

For example, when one gets documents notarised, atleast in Mumbai, the book & page number of the notary registrar book are important to have (on the documents you just got notarised).
I don't really know. All I know is that their software has a place for "NOC
no.", although I did hear people mention about some "memo no." also. (Each
of the NOC genuineness confirmation requests that I'd to mail (on the WB
RTO's behalf) to the Bangalore RTOs did have an entry for a "memo no.").

If something like that is what they are after, isn't it the WB RTO's
responsibility to get it from the Bangalore RTO through their own official
channel? They are trying to pass the buck to me! I know that the Bangalore
RTOs won't entertain any such request from me as an individual, whereas all
it should take is a phone call from the WB RTO to the Bangalore RTO. I
don't know how to make them do their own work. I don't want to bribe.

About the notary thing, when I got some documents notarized in WB, there
were no register no. etc. mentioned, -- just the signatures and the date.
Apparently there are local variations of such practices.

nairrk, I'm willing to accept any reasonable delay, but the WB RTO has to
agree to at least start the process on their own. How do I make them?

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meerkat, I just checked the xerox copies of the Form 28 and the RC book that I have.

There's no number on the form 28 , but there's an endorsement on the RC book saying that " NOC is issued to RTO Barrackpore West Bengal on 8/9/09". Next to it there's a number "V50/65" , and the sign/stamp of the ARTO.

Do you have any number similiar to "V50/65" on the RC endorsement - this is the only "number" I could find. My NOC was issued by the KR Puram RTO.

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Now it is getting really complicated!

No, I do not have any such no. mentioned anywhere (either on the RC book,
or on form 28). All I have is that "NOC is issued to Siliguri, WB, RTO on
....(date)", with the signature and stamp.

The NOCs were issued by RTO Yelahanka, and RTO North (Yeshvantpur).

The AASI Asst. Secy., Bangalore, again assured me today that he had never
heard of an NOC no. in his 25 years of experience!

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Its just shows how well our system works. Some states at least taken steps to interconnect the RTO on the same city/districts/state.

Every State have their own laws and procedures thats why we suffers.
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Default Update: Success at last!

Yeh, --- finally it happened! Yesterday I got the re-registration (transfer)
process completed for both of my vehicles at last!

I did it all on my own. But it took me one full month, and 10 trips to the RTO in all !

Regarding the NOC no. requirement, on the advice of an MV inspector, I had
requested AASI to push the BLR RTOs to send back the requested NOC-
confirmations to the WB RTO.

I had also provided the WB ARTO with all relevant BLR RTO phone nos. along
with my vehicle details.

Don't know what had transpired, but finally the ARTO relented (possibly
realizing that he was only delaying the HUGE tax collection), and approved
my application.

I'm also updating my other thread with the total cost information.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...le-owners.html (How the WB Govt. loots vehicle owners)

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So finally you did it ? Congratulations ! An experience to be remembered I guess.

I went to the RTO - spending 3 full days - so my experience was probably slightly better off than yours. Nevertheless I felt frustrated . However there was a sense of achievement in the end.
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Regarding the NOC no. requirement, on the advice of an MV
inspector, I had requested AASI to push the BLR RTOs to
send back the requested NOC- confirmations to the WB RTO.

I had also provided the WB ARTO with all relevant BLR RTO
phone nos. along with my vehicle details.

Don't know what had transpired, but finally the ARTO relented
(possibly realizing that he was only delaying the HUGE tax
collection), and approved my application.
Here are a couple of pieces of information for completeness.

1. I'd also emailed a request for clarification for the NOC no. to the KA
Transport Commissioner at transcom@nic.in (address found at the KA
RTO website). NO response!

2. Today I found out that the AASI, Bangalore hadn't yet acted on my
request for trying to expedite the process of NOC confirmation by pushing
the BLR RTOs! The apparent reason: they didn't know how to open email
attachments (I'd sent the relevant docs as scanned attachments)! They
don't make STD calls! They didn't write an email to update me either
(inspite of my request to keep me updated). So I found out only when I called after so many days.

Apparently, on my request, the WB ARTO called up the BLR RTOs to expedite
the process.

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