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Old 19th December 2009, 22:54   #31
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I have heard people saying that they only buy Japanese cars or German Cars or that Indian cars are just terrible. Such a generalization is wrong. Just few weeks back in this very forum, a member slammed Indigo Manza as a vehicle 'no Team-BHPian would buy', Why? The car is great, it has good features, One of the most renowned engines that too in its latest avatar. Why and Why? because it is a TATA. Shame!
IF TATA/M&M keep improving quality of their cars, this is only a matter of time this perception changes. Would not take more than a decade.

When you see "mean time between failure" TATA still lags behind others. If they keep improving and match others, perception would be taken care of in 5 - 6 years.
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I am sorry if I my comments came across as some sort of Socialist propaganda.

Every customer obviously has the right to buy a car that suits his/her needs and if such a car be of a foreign make, it is fine.

Problem actually is when people completely discard Indian manufacturers while selecting cars and such a perception is wrong. Compare all cars including Indian cars and still if some other car fits your bill, so be it.

On numerous occasions, I have heard people saying that they only buy Japanese cars or German Cars or that Indian cars are just terrible. Such a generalization is wrong. Just few weeks back in this very forum, a member slammed Indigo Manza as a vehicle 'no Team-BHPian would buy', Why? The car is great, it has good features, One of the most renowned engines that too in its latest avatar. Why and Why? because it is a TATA. Shame!
Point takend dude

1. There's no German competition in the segment where Tata or M&M and compete. So lets forget about it.
2. Reg the issues with Tata - They are the king wrt VFM and the market has responded very well too. There exists still some issues with sales and service support and quality. From what I have read I understand that the Manza has leaped fwd a lot in quality and the Indicruz would be a revelation.
In that case forget about the critics man, they'll sell like hot cakes

P.S: There's nothing wrong in going behind the japanese or koreans for that matter. Man ,beat their reliability!
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Old 17th February 2012, 04:06   #33
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Hello Everyone,

Since this is my first post on this forum, Iíll have to start with a little introduction. My name is Abhinav and I am a 17 year student from Rishikesh. Not many of you will have heard about this place, but thatís not really important as you can always Google it up. The main reason I am starting this thread is because, despite this being an Indian forum, the discussion about Indian manufacturers here is fairly limited. Not that we are the ones at fault, but itís mainly because all the Indian manufacturers are busy wasting their time.


We have Hindustan Motors, which has been building the same car for over 50 years. When even our bureaucrats started switching to something more conventional, the sales fell and it was time for them to do something. SOLUTION: Launch a pick-up truck based on the very same car! Yeah, that should do the job. No it didnít.


Then we have Premier Motors, which is in a slightly better position but still with a similar story. They built the Padmini for a few decades, phased it out in the millennium, wasted a couple of years doing nothing and in 2009 they realised, it was time for them to pull up their socks. SOLUTION: Launch a Chinese version of the DaihatsuTerios! Yeah, that will sell well. It obviously didnít and it never will. Earlier than that, the company did pull-off a couple of deals with some international manufacturers, but all of them were so unsuccessful that most of us donít even know about them.


Another brand which falls in the same category is the manufacturer of the One. No not Yeti Blog ģ, I am talking about Force Motors. It is one of the better off brands in India, and is a fairly successful commercial vehicle manufacturer. However, its attempt to hit the masses hasnít really come off. It recently launched a Chinese version of a decade old Ford Explorer, which obviously failed. Indians donít buy an old Benz (W124), how do you expect them to buy a Force? Even Mr Bachchan couldnít convince enough buyers to choose it over its rivals, thanks to an inflated price tag and poor build quality, which eventually resulted to its failure.

The list doesnít end here; you have so many other such manufacturers! ICML Motors, famous for building Sonalika Tractors and the Rhino RX MUV. Rajah Motors from down south, for building Indiaís first MPV! All of them have a similar story! I know you do have Tata and Mahindra, who are doing very well, but despite that the refinement levels of all the Indian cars, is far from perfect. Getting Maruti Suzuki in this discussion is pointless, as the Maruti badge is just worth its sentimental value. Suzuki owns more than half of its stake and hence all the cars are actually Japanese.


But here is the question, why is that all Indian manufacturers are in such a miserable condition? Why Chinese has become the new Indian? Why this incompetency? Well, after a little research on all these brands the answer was pretty much evident. All these brands are being run by a bunch of management buffs! Probably, none of them is an automobile enthusiast! They have no clue about whatís happening in the automobile scenario! Because of all this, they have barely put any pressure on the government for any sort of help! Our bureaucrats are still getting the good olí amby, why would they be bothered? Mr Tata obviously showed some interest and that is why he has gained so much respect. Itís the same with Mahindra; they are probably the fastest growing Indian manufacturer that we have in the market today! But the ones who actually need this attention are not Tata and Mahindra! Itís all these Indian manufacturers who are lying in a mess! Personally, given a chance I can run HM better than the 80 year old lad sitting at that chair! But itís obviously more complex than that!


I am leaving the rest on you guys to think about. I may have sounded a little immature with this article, but since I am just 17 please bear with it. Hope this thread gets a respectable response.
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Hello Everyone,

Since this is my first post on this forum, Iíll have to start with a little introduction.
First of all, welcome aboard!
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The main reason I am starting this thread is because, despite this being an Indian forum, the discussion about Indian manufacturers here is fairly limited. Not that we are the ones at fault, but itís mainly because all the Indian manufacturers are busy wasting their time.
You have answered the question yourself. Except Tata, Mahindra and, to an extent, Force Motors, every other Indian manufacturer that you have mentioned - HM, PAL, ICML, etc. are just wasting their time and money trying to do something that, according to them, is contemporary. And, that is exactly why our forum discusses everything about Tata and Mahindra and not about these so-called automotive companies.
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Launch a pick-up truck based on the very same car! Yeah, that should do the job. No it didnít.
Tell me about that. The Ambassador, despite its age-old proportions and basic underpinnings, was well on its way to become a classic automobile, but this half-hearted and ridiculous attempt of launching a pick-up truck in the Amby platform by HM literally killed the car. One look at the pick-up and I am sure people would shun away from HM.
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Launch a Chinese version of the DaihatsuTerios! Yeah, that will sell well. It obviously didnít and it never will. Earlier than that, the company did pull-off a couple of deals with some international manufacturers, but all of them were so unsuccessful that most of us donít even know about them.
The Premier Rio is a wonderful concept but the product as such had some serious shortfalls which prevented it from becoming a success. I opine that Premier will take steps to ensure that the soon-to-be-launched Rio Gen-II irons out all the flaws and will become an overall better product. On a general note, models that we are eagerly expecting like the Ford Ecosport and Renault Duster are all an outcome of this same 'Compact SUV' gameplan, which seems to be just perfect for India.

The lesser we talk about the other manufacturers that you have mentioned, the better. I couldn't agree more with you. It seems that all these companies are run by folks who know little or, just aren't interested, in making them successful over the years. Even a complete reshuffle of the management of these companies wouldn't save them, I guess. They are well past their due dates.
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the Indicruz would be a revelation.
In that case forget about the critics man, they'll sell like hot cakes
In retrospect....the Aria was the biggest failure for Tata.When the Aria first came, people compared it with an Innova.
Me:but it has 4 wheel drive,abs,esp,ebd,6 airbags,sensors in almost everything and more power and torque!.
Public perception:Nah, its an innova ripoff.how dare they price it 60,000 more than the innova!?
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So now we have a much less featured innova selling at 16.5lacs onroad kerala,whereas the Aria has discounts ranging to 4 lakhs...
The toyota innova is an awesome vehicle,I agree.Its been hauling our family over the last 7 years.It had its complaints like Clutch wear,differential breakage etc.I also agree that I do not know the complaints frequency of the Aria.But what I felt is we didn't even give it a chance.With the kind of service I get at Concorde,bangalore for my Nano,I'm sure the Aria owners would have been pampered.
Public: You're right,lets compare it with something else...Lets compare it with the Yeti.
Me: but,but thats a small compact SUV wannabe
Public: Yeah but its the same price,no? (proceeds to compare the 2.5 tonne Aria's lack of agility and relative slowness,with a vehicle which is substantially lighter)
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