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Old 23rd March 2012, 15:22   #256
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(lets call it 'our Nano Europa' with a 3 pot CRDI)
The 3 pot is a petrol, not diesel. No plans for a diesel Europa as of now.
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You get what you pay for. It is unrealistic to expect a 2 cylinder engine to sound smooth.
The funny thing is that the Honda Activa scooter with single cyl is smoother both idle and full throttle.

But I agree a diesel twin is going to be a nightmare for NVH.
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Suggestions for the Nano:
Offer buy back for Nano petrol cars already sold in exchange for the Nano diesel when it (finally) arrives
Work on getting an auto tranny in the Nano
Other space options such as magic seating for flexibility in moving around
Magic seatings bala? Is bala looking for a replacment for JAZZ?
We should wait for a year once diesel in launched and buy a diesel only when a Nano diesel 2014/2015 v2 is launched.
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You get what you pay for. It is unrealistic to expect a 2 cylinder engine to sound smooth.
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It is also unrealistic to expect such car to sell in numbers and vote it as the "Car of the year"

The market has given its verdict - it is ready to pay more for a decent car. It is not ready to pay less for a noisy, vibrating car.

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It is also unrealistic to expect such car to sell in numbers and vote it as the "Car of the year"

The market has given its verdict - it is ready to pay more for a decent car. It is not ready to pay less for a noisy, vibrating car.

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Selling nearly 10k a month is realistic so is the fact that it was voted as 'Car of the Year'.
If people are ready to pay more money, so be it. There are plenty of options in the market.


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How much more should a (lets call it 'our Nano Europa' with a 3 pot CRDI) cost over a topend current Nano? From markey acceptance PoV and Cost of production PoV.

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Ideally not a lot more.
But Tata's pricing strategies lately as well as the fact that people in India are easily willing to pay 10-15% more for diesel variants. What I am trying to say even in this scenario Tata has room to make a chunky margin and still be competitively priced.

Hopefully sense prevails!!
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Ideally not a lot more.
But Tata's pricing strategies lately as well as the fact that people in India are easily willing to pay 10-15% more for diesel variants.
My feeling - it will be significantly more than that. (If it ever comes out at all). Chicken and egg.

At the new price point, TML can still use the current platform, but it MUST NOT look like, or even similar to the current one. A tall order.

Pity there are no threads (authoritatively) discussing the technology/ production methods/ costs of the Nano.

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Selling nearly 10k a month is realistic so is the fact that it was voted as 'Car of the Year'.
If people are ready to pay more money, so be it. There are plenty of options in the market.
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Don't know which figures you are referring to but in the past six months Nano has not touched the 10k mark even once. Here are the figures for your ready reference

Sep'11 - 2936
Oct'11 - 3868
Nov'11 - 6401
Dec'11 - 7466
Jan'12 - 7723
Feb'12 - 9217

Maybe you need to spend some time studying the sales figures thread before making blanket statements.

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Don't know which figures you are referring to but in the past six months Nano has not touched the 10k mark even once. Here are the figures for your ready reference

Sep'11 - 2936
Oct'11 - 3868
Nov'11 - 6401
Dec'11 - 7466
Jan'12 - 7723
Feb'12 - 9217

Maybe you need to spend some time studying the sales figures thread before making blanket statements.

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Do you notice a trend in the numbers?
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Do you notice a trend in the numbers?
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Did you notice in what context the sales figures were posted?

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Did you notice in what context the sales figures were posted?

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I believe you were trying to prove that the Nano can't be a success because people would rather pay more for a better quality car. Is this correct?

What I was pointing out is that the sales have been going up every month over the period that you have given the numbers for. Perhaps people are warming up to it? 10k doesn't seem too far iMO especially with a Diesel/CNG/LPG variant on the horizon.
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Whoa whoa whoa!!! Hold it please.

You almost sound like you are trying to ram your point down people's throat. Let's try to talk with sound logic and put forth our views. Posting a single sentence rebuttal post to everything people say hardly conveys the meaning.

Why don't you post the context and everything else that you believe makes out a strong point?

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Hello,

It is also unrealistic to expect such car to sell in numbers and vote it as the "Car of the year"

The market has given its verdict - it is ready to pay more for a decent car. It is not ready to pay less for a noisy, vibrating car.

Thank you
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Hello,

Don't know which figures you are referring to but in the past six months Nano has not touched the 10k mark even once. Here are the figures for your ready reference

Sep'11 - 2936
Oct'11 - 3868
Nov'11 - 6401
Dec'11 - 7466
Jan'12 - 7723
Feb'12 - 9217

Maybe you need to spend some time studying the sales figures thread before making blanket statements.

Thank you
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Hello,

Did you notice in what context the sales figures were posted?

Thank you
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My feeling - it will be significantly more than that. (If it ever comes out at all). Chicken and egg.
If it comes out at all? What makes you doubt it will not come out? Car makers price the diesel version higher not to make supernormal profit but due to higher manufacturing cost which, for a Euro-IV compliant diesel engine, is double that of a Euro-IV compliant petrol engine. I'd expect the Diesel Nano to cost at least Rs. 2 lacs for the base version.

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At the new price point, TML can still use the current platform, but it MUST NOT look like, or even similar to the current one. A tall order.
Which car manufacturer offers you different body shapes for petrol and diesel versions of the same car? Tata and its vendors have made huge investments in setting up Nano-specific manufacturing facilities which are heavily underutilised. If economies of scale have to be utilised, there ought to be maximum commonality between the two versions. Obviously, it will look like the petrol Nano.

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Pity there are no threads (authoritatively) discussing the technology/ production methods/ costs of the Nano.
Why don't you create one? There is more information available on the net about Nano and its technology than any other Indian car.

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Whoa whoa whoa!!! Hold it please.

You almost sound like you are trying to ram your point down people's throat. Let's try to talk with sound logic and put forth our views. Posting a single sentence rebuttal post to everything people say hardly conveys the meaning.

Why don't you post the context and everything else that you believe makes out a strong point?
Hello,

I don't know what gave you that feeling. I was posting facts.

My point was if Tata Motors wants to improve the sales of the Nano, they need to improve the current model. Merely adding a diesel variant is not going to increase sales.

If you can, please explain me the logic behind these posts before questioning mine:

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You get what you pay for. It is unrealistic to expect a 2 cylinder engine to sound smooth.
Moderator MPower also seems to disagree with the above statement. His response :
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The funny thing is that the Honda Activa scooter with single cyl is smoother both idle and full throttle.
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Selling nearly 10k a month is realistic
I posted the sales figures in response to this post. Where am I going wrong? How often has the Nano consistently crossed the 10k mark. I am merely stating the facts

There are plenty other Nano threads which are making the same point that I am making.

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Old 27th March 2012, 15:25   #269
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My point was if Tata Motors wants to improve the sales of the Nano, they need to improve the current model. Merely adding a diesel variant is not going to increase sales.
Your figures show that it is improving even without diesel. It is the 8th top selling Indian car in Feb.
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Well the nano is at about 10.5K for march and continues its upward march crossing 10K though March is likely to have been a better than usual month for other factors as well.

That said yes the nano is starting to do well even without the diesel and with a diesel coming in for upto Rs. 30,000 more they can only go to a higher level from here - my take. The current version refinement levels are fine for the way the car is priced.
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