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Old 12th April 2012, 13:21   #301
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Nice Info Dbapps.

40 KMPL by ARAI though is a very tough target it is bang in gearless two wheeler territory and that too with Diesel. Yep diesels give higher fuel economy and this is a light wt diesel still anything beyound 35 KMPL ARAI and close to 30 in real world conditions would be superb.

2013 does seem a long way off.

It does indeed need a face and bottom refresh both for petrol and diesel.
Yes ,it will be around that figure , when I had first hand discussion around three weeks back with three Tata Nano testers (Outsourced, I think Vijayam Motors , not sure) they said that Tata Nano Diesel is giving 40 KMPL . So 30 KMPL in real world is not that big issue.
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Atleast in the Nano Diesel, it would be better for Tata to consider having the Engine in the front/under the hood rather than under/behind the rear seat.

The rear engine design has a lot of disadvantages like luggage space crunch, vibration and overheating issues. Having a front engine will make it a proper car rather than tending towards an Auto-Richshaw design.
Most Sports Cars have a rear engine. Infact Auto rickshaws earlier had front engines ONLY - while now both varients are available. Since the vibration, space and stability is much better in the versions with rear engine these varients are the ones to have found mass adoption.

If TATA were to increase the front overhang it could easilty create luggage space upfront under the bonnet but that would take away from the looks and price point targets and that is not desirable.

Nope the Nano is fine as a Rear Engine vehicle and no changes are required in that aspect.
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I recently saw these 2 guys testing on old Mumbai Pune Highway near Dehu Road





I don't mean to say they were definitely the CNG and the 3 cyl under testing, but the colors kinda give it away.
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I recently saw these 2 guys testing on old Mumbai Pune Highway near Dehu Road


I don't mean to say they were definitely the CNG and the 3 cyl under testing, but the colors kinda give it away.

This is awesome news. The CNG nano shall definitely be a hit as an urban commuter. Imagine the low running cost. I'll definitely pick up one if this is priced sensibly by Tata. Any pics of the cars under test?
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Ridiculous statement. Just because it has a rear engine Nano's tending to be a rick? And may I know your thoughts please on why you think only the front engined variety are 'proper' cars?
True that!! may be then. even the rear engined sports cars are all autorickshaws :P

Actually its an interesting observation of an average Indian perception. We have all seen cars which are 3 boxed, front engined versions, anything outside this framework is not a proper car. how hard maruti must have worked to sell a hatchback in a nation filled with 'booted' cars.

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Most Sports Cars have a rear engine.
Actually, most sports-cars are mid-engined (behind the driver, but ahead of the rear-axle). The only sports-car in production, that's powered by an engine placed behind the rear-axle is the Porsche 911.

The Nano is a rear-engined car. There aren't too many cars in production today, that have the engine mounted behind the rear-axle. It will be interesting to see how Tata goes about engineering a diesel-mill for the Nano, if they ever do.
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I got following furhter information from my source .
Nano Disel will come to market in Year 2013. It is ready for production.
It is proper Hatch back. So it will have some really usable space there.
New front and Rear Bumper,to distinguish it from Nano Petrol.
Front disk breaks will be standard.
13 Inch tyers ,better noise insulation in cabin , as this is disel car .
Suspension stengthen to take extra weight around 750 /770 KG.
800 CC two cylinder engine ,Tata worked with German firm FEV. 40 BHP ,near about 40 KM per liter average as per ARAI . On road it should give around 30 KM +
Engine will first go to Tata ACE CRDI in detuned state for the commercial vehicle.
Engine can be worked upon by removing rear bumper through
cradle. Work is going on to reduce the price of Nano Diesel, so expect spartan interior ,without much fanfare , though it will have the lockable storage in glove box ala Nano CNG.Tata is trying to ship basic version will be less than 2 Lakh ruppees at showrooms.
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This is great news. Add a three (or four!) pot mill, and it becomes 'our' Nano. (My perception is that some of the highly visible 'frugal engineering' (the three bolt wheel, lack of glove box, necessity to open the boot to fill fuel etc) exhibited tackiness more than anything else. The perception far outweighed any cost benefit.

The (lack of) hatch, and the two pot engine are major contributors to low cost. Remove these two, and the nano will land up playing with the big boys. If it is still called a Nano, or is perceived as such, I doubt if it can.

It will be interesting to see how TML (re)positions the Nano.

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Nice Info Dbapps.

40 KMPL by ARAI though is a very tough target it is bang in gearless two wheeler territory and that too with Diesel. Yep diesels give higher fuel economy and this is a light wt diesel still anything beyound 35 KMPL ARAI and close to 30 in real world conditions would be superb.

2013 does seem a long way off.

It does indeed need a face and bottom refresh both for petrol and diesel.
As Tata is working on cost cutting ,it will take 2013 to launch the same.

One more information , Tata Nano Diesel engine will have around 100 nm of torque.
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As Tata is working on cost cutting ,it will take 2013 to launch the same.

One more information , Tata Nano Diesel engine will have around 100 nm of torque.
This product should have far more focus from Tata. It has major potentail to upset many an apple as current segment leaders like maruti and hyundai will find it quite difficult to support the alto and eon at those price points with a diesel.

Only getting good driveability will be key, with 100 Nm that will surely not be a problem in this sgement.
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This product should have far more focus from Tata. It has major potentail to upset many an apple as current segment leaders like maruti and hyundai will find it quite difficult to support the alto and eon at those price points with a diesel.

Only getting good driveability will be key, with 100 Nm that will surely not be a problem in this sgement.
If there's a perfect recipe for automotive success in India then this is it, a compact car with a diesel engine costing approx. 2 lacs and delivering a mileage close to 30km/l.
The Nano has the makings of a monster volume churner like how Ratan Tata had envisaged. But somehow I am not convinced Tata will deliver on the final product, hopefully I'll be proven wrong.
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But somehow I am not convinced Tata will deliver on the final product, hopefully I'll be proven wrong.
Test drove the petrol Nano today along with a friend. I had driven Nano before, the improvement in 2012 nano is obvious - better driver seat, more sound insulation, surprisingly good AC with decent performance with AC on.

I still feel fit and finish must be improved and interiors bettered. I dont mind a 4 lakh nano with a powerful diesel engine, bigger wheels n tyres, rattle free interiors and great paint job.
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The Nano is a rear-engined car. There aren't too many cars in production today, that have the engine mounted behind the rear-axle. It will be interesting to see how Tata goes about engineering a diesel-mill for the Nano, if they ever do.
Nano has engine mounted over the rear axle
I have heard from a reliable source that , they even attempted fitting the diesel mill at front.

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Tata Nano Diesel engine will have around 100 nm of torque.
Impressive figures , but i feel we will see introduction of a powerfull petrol variant before the much awaited diesel nano.
Driveability with 48Nm petrol is good within city, hence 100Nm should be more than enough

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Thumbs up fellow BHP-ian if you came to this thread because of today's Kolaveri petrol price increase

If there ever was a time for a Diesel Nano, this is it!!!!

@ 30 kmpl real word mileage (that too Diesel ), many will be willing to look over the rickshaw type sound and other sundry "anomalies".

Put your back into it TATA.
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Thumbs up fellow BHP-ian if you came to this thread because of today's Kolaveri petrol price increase

If there ever was a time for a Diesel Nano, this is it!!!!

Bring it on TATA now, A Nano Diesel AT.
Even the CNG variant will be well received.

Car companies will think hard of the AT Petrol variants now.
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I think the Nano diesel is much needed now. At least in my parking lot! I can't bear the uncertainties of petrol prices.
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