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Old 4th November 2015, 17:24   #166
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Folks does anyone have an idea about how safe the Hyundai Xcent is? I know the Grand i10 scored zilch in crash tests, but is the xcent any different?
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Folks does anyone have an idea about how safe the Hyundai Xcent is? I know the Grand i10 scored zilch in crash tests, but is the xcent any different?
It will fare exactly the same.
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No proof as of yet but my personal experience with this " G-Con" car has given me my benefit of doubt. Why don't you tour the body shop once? Might sound like "in the air advice" when we can't judge how hard was the hit but you will observe that these cars crumple too easily even if they have the so called crumple zones.


Already answered that ped safety thing before.
And that Fradeen Khan case isn't alone. I've come across a lot of 3rd Gen Ivtec's which have been squished from behind,mine included. I guess they have a natural tendency to turn into Jazz.

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Our previous car, a Hyundai Santro was involved in a high speed read ending accident. Dad stopped our car at a signal and there was a Honda City in front of us.

A Tata Indica taxi rear ended our car at a speed of at least 40-50 kmph . Our car moved and hit the Honda City in front. Our car had the primary impact but the Honda City 's boot had caved in by at least 1-1.5 feet. Shocking.

I would search for the pics and post them if I can get hold of them.

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If Honda can build a light weight car where the passenger shell is not compromised, then we can then talk.
What would be the fault with Honda's 2014 City Thailand Model?

Let us not worry about pedestrian safety, just the occupants for discussion's sake because they are the ones inside the shell whose integrity we are doubting. We can leave out the stars and the COP for time being, the high AOP value means the two dummies managed to survive the standard crash test, the shell did not disintegrate.

Would you mind explaining how this car manage to beat the sturdier Ford Fiesta (albeit by just 0.07 points) in the same test? The Ford packs more iron, claimed to better in build quality and is of the same vehicle class. The logic beats me! Honda City 2014 Thailand model's AOP score of 15.8 vs the 15.73 of the 2011 Thailand Ford Fiesta.

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PS: 2014 Thai Honda Jazz does a lot better than the much heavier and sturdier 2013 Malaysian VW Polo.

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I would add the S Cross to the list of the safest cars in India, if it is not already mentioned by anyone.

By no means, it is a typical Maruti car. The build quality is really good. The metal sheet thickness is great and the doors, bonnet lid, boot lid and all the metallic parts are sturdy and heavy. When I saw the S Cross first time, my SA told me to lift and hold the bonnet lid. IT was seriously one heavy and sturdy thing !

BTW, S Cross also received 5 star rating at the ASEAN NCAP tests.
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What would be the fault with Honda's 2014 City Thailand Model?

Would you mind explaining how this car manage to beat the sturdier Ford Fiesta (albeit by just 0.07 points) in the same test? The Ford packs more iron, claimed to better in build quality and is of the same vehicle class. The logic beats me! Honda City 2014 Thailand model's AOP score of 15.8 vs the 15.73 of the 2011 Thailand Ford Fiesta.
Irrelevant in India. I remember when the new swift came out, people here argued that it's as safe as a Polo since it scored 5 stars as well. Did that happen? The chassis of the Thai City has to be made up of better quality steel. FYI, the steel used in Polo isn't thick, just of good quality. Japanese cars are known for their build quality in the west, why is it the opposite here?
And lastly, all cars are designed to pass crash tests. The city is a newer car and hence fared better with the current test parameters. Real world crashes may not be similar to the tests and don't you feel a better built car will have an advantage in an untested scenario?

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I would add the S Cross to the list of the safest cars in India, if it is not already mentioned by anyone.

BTW, S Cross also received 5 star rating at the ASEAN NCAP tests.
That was Hungary manufactured S-Cross for Singapore and Malaysian market. The Indian S-Cross will definitely fair poor.
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A couple of years back, my Optra was hit by an auto from behind. The impact was such that I almost had a whiplash injury and the auto rolled several times. You know what, the rear bumper had one small dent!
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A couple of years back, my Optra was hit by an auto from behind. The impact was such that I almost had a whiplash injury and the auto rolled several times. You know what, the rear bumper had one small dent!

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A perfect real life experience which should clarify to some folks trying to equate occupant safety with no damage to vehicle, vehicle weight, sheet metal thickness.
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A perfect real life experience which should clarify to some folks trying to equate occupant safety with no damage to vehicle, vehicle weight, sheet metal thickness.
Leave the crumple zones aside, if you think the occupant safety is not related to the strength of the passenger shell, good for you.

But I wouldn't trust my life with such a vehicle.

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That was Hungary manufactured S-Cross for Singapore and Malaysian market. The Indian S-Cross will definitely fair poor.
I will agree to an extent. But for sure, the S Cross is one of the best built cars in the country. I will dare to say that it is very close to the German build quality, if not as good.
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I will agree to an extent. But for sure, the S Cross is one of the best built cars in the country. I will dare to say that it is very close to the German build quality, if not as good.
What's the basis of this statement? Have you seen the crash test report for the S cross sold in India? If yes, please share it here. If not seen, then you can't be sure about it being one of the best built cars in the country, and this statement of yours is not based on facts but on perception.

I for one will believe the safety only when I see the crash test results.
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Leave the crumple zones aside, if you think the occupant safety is not related to the strength of the passenger shell, good for you.

But I wouldn't trust my life with such a vehicle.

The passenger cocoon stays protected because the bumpers and other crumple zones take and absorb the impact despite all the "weak/light metal" talk being dished around. But I wish good luck to to those who would rather save their bumpers than themselves, not to miss whiplash which occurs when impacts not absorbed.
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I will agree to an extent. But for sure, the S Cross is one of the best built cars in the country. I will dare to say that it is very close to the German build quality, if not as good.
Though I respect your POV. But I think that is a huge statement to make. It is indeed the best built car to come from Maruti, but no where close to be amongst the best in the country or anywhere near the Germans. Even a Polo feels leagues ahead to the S-Cross.
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The passenger cocoon stays protected because the bumpers and other crumple zones take and absorb the impact despite all the "weak/light metal" talk being dished around. But I wish good luck to to those who would rather save their bumpers than themselves, not to miss whiplash which occurs when impacts not absorbed.
You won't seem to get the point at all.

The crumple zones and bumpers crumbling WILL NOT protect the passenger cocoon in major accidents. The passenger shells of Honda cars have also crumbled along with the crumple zones killing the occupants meaning that the passenger shell is weak.

If the bumpers and crumple zones are enough , why even have a passenger shell?

Please stop arguing as if only Hondas are the only cars built with crumple zones. Every modern car has them.

People bothered about safety are not bothered about bumpers crumbing when it is needed. But the bumpers in Hondas are so cheaply built that they crumble in even a 5-10 kmph collision.

Mind you, there is no sort of whiplash in 5-10 kmph accidents. If I owned an insurance company, I would raise rated for Hondas because of the poor passenger shell safety and the cheap bumpers getting crumpled at irrelevant speeds resulting in higher claims. My Figo for example has flexible bumpers which can withstand 10 kmph crashes without deforming permanently.

This is the car in which Fardeen Khan 's relative died. She died because the passenger shell also crumpled along with the bumpers and crumple zones.
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