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Old 9th December 2009, 21:25   #991
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Maybe because of the pricing? Is another manza like product it is going to be?
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The next issue of most car mags will have the details copied from Tbhp's pages.
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SidIndica are you in viral marketing department of TML if not I would recommend them to open such a department and hire you as it's head.
Only if someone consider my recommendation
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may be because we have the scoop before any one else in the country?
or may be because we already have the truth uncovered?
@sidindica - you the man! thanks for all the 'inside' news.

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SidIndica you can reveal some most awaited information now. Gist of Features on base and top end variants with price guidelines

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Post No. 1000.

It all started with my spotting an article at worldcarfans claiming to be the new Tata safari on test, and I was shocked at seeing an "Indian" car being tested around the arctic circle, a car that looked very radically different from the current Safari and more like the X-over concept that was displayed by Tata at 2006 auto expo.

This marked the first sighting of the much talked about X2 platform which is monocoque, and a premium Family Utility Vehicle is planned on it.

More and more test mules were spotted, and even I am surprised that the indicruz will arguably the most important launch of 2010, given the huge amount of anticipation built here on team-bhp (1000 replies in less then 2 years).

Like the Safari in 1998 began Tata's "modern"isaton, the indicruz will continue the revolution from the house of the Tatas. It prmoises to be Tata's most sophisticated car yet, riding on an all new chassis with a 5 link independent rear suspension (multilink) and front is suspended by Indepedent McPherson strut with anti roll bar and torsion beam.

The car will showcase all the learnings that tata has done while being in the manufacturing business of modern passenger automobiles for the past 12 years. From the Safari to the manza, Tata has come a long way in developing VFM cars for our markets, the cars that India needs, and of couse, wants.

After the original Sumo was a smash hit, it was the qualis that started tata's downfall in the MUV/MPV segment, followed by the innova. Tata did respond by giving the sumo a new body, engine and name, but it was a sales disaster. Moreover, in 2002, the scorpio showed the Safari clean pair of heels in our market, and continues to do so, even though the safari has its fair share of fans and admirers.

Continuous improvement has always been the policy of Tata's engineers and it showed by launching the 2.2 VTT Dicor in the Safari, clearly Tata's most refined and sophisticated diesel motor yet. While the safari is still plagued by minor (or sometimes major) niggles, the product continues to sell in decent numbers, as it provides an all round combination of qualities what we need in a SUV at a decent price bracket.

However, the indicruz will be an entirely different ballgame together. Tata is targeting the top end varients of the innova, and of course, a new premium Joint family vehicle segment will be created, so pricing will carry a premium and of course, Tata has to get things right, so there will be no second chances.

All things look right at first place, 2.2 dicor with 16v DOHC with VGT, power is estimated at 155-165 ps, 0-100 of about 13-14 seconds, 7 CANBUS computers that control the vehicle right from EPS to the immobilizer to the LED/ projector lights to the ABS/ airbags to the advanced engine diagnostic system etc, to the advanced suspension system etc etc, tata has to execute this concept well, if it has to win buyers who are willing to spend more than a million bucks for a tata product.

While only time will tell whether the indicruz will succeed or not, its the product that counts and Tata is hell bent to make sure that it gets it right the very first time.

After all, the company plans to expand heavily in Europe and ASEAN regions and this vehicle will be critical to its presence. Thats why Tata is testing its vehicles at various locations around the world.

When the covers come off on January 5, it promises to be Tata's most expensive, most sophisticated, most luxurious, most upscale and technically most advanced product yet.

Now where does the upcoming improved Safari go from here? and what will be its fortunes? Only time will tell when the covers come off.

January 5, 2010. The countdown has begun.

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Well Post number 1001 is now at 996. Not only the members, but also the administrators are highly active on this thread. But Sid, are the covers gonna come off the Safari as well on the 5th of Jan 2010?
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This marked the first sighting of the much talked about X2 platform which is monocoque, and a premium Family Utility Vehicle is planned on it.......

Like the Safari in 1998 began Tata's "modern"isaton, the indicruz will continue the revolution from the house of the Tatas. It prmoises to be Tata's most sophisticated car yet, riding on an all new chassis with a 5 link independent rear suspension (multilink) and front is suspended by Indepedent McPherson strut with anti roll bar and torsion beam.
oh boy, TATA has definitely come a long long way from the early days of indica, when the gear ratio of indica V2 and TATA 407 used to be same

kudos to TATA.
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My gut feeling tells me this is going to be the most important launch in the market in 2010. In fact it will be a game changer. It's not going to be just another car to look out for. It's going to be the car. All the very best to the Tatas. Hope they do it right the first time round. This baby is going to do India proud on the world stage. Somehow my patriotic feelings are getting aroused the way they did in 1998 when the Indica was launched. Can't wait for D-Day!
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My gut feeling tells me this is going to be the most important launch in the market in 2010. In fact it will be a game changer. It's not going to be just another car to look out for. It's going to be the car. All the very best to the Tatas. Hope they do it right the first time round. This baby is going to do India proud on the world stage. Somehow my patriotic feelings are getting aroused the way they did in 1998 when the Indica was launched. Can't wait for D-Day!
Its a 5 meter leviathan, not a baby

The indica had the tagline "India's most eagerly awaited car".

The Xover should have "India's most awaited joint family car!".

EDIT: finally, it hits the 1000 mark

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1) This marked the first sighting of the much talked about X2 platform which is monocoque, and a premium Family Utility Vehicle is planned on it.

2) More and more test mules were spotted, and even I am surprised that the indicruz will arguably the most important launch of 2010, given the huge amount of anticipation built here on team-bhp (1000 replies in less then 2 years).

3) Like the Safari in 1998 began Tata's "modern"isaton, the indicruz will continue the revolution from the house of the Tatas. It prmoises to be Tata's most sophisticated car yet, riding on an all new chassis with a 5 link independent rear suspension (multilink) and front is suspended by Indepedent McPherson strut with anti roll bar and torsion beam.

4) The car will showcase all the learnings that tata has done while being in the manufacturing business of modern passenger automobiles for the past 12 years. From the Safari to the manza, Tata has come a long way in developing VFM cars for our markets, the cars that India needs, and of couse, wants.

5) After the original Sumo was a smash hit, it was the qualis that started tata's downfall in the MUV/MPV segment, followed by the innova. Tata did respond by giving the sumo a new body, engine and name, but it was a sales disaster. Moreover, in 2002, the scorpio showed the Safari clean pair of heels in our market, and continues to do so, even though the safari has its fair share of fans and admirers.

6) Continuous improvement has always been the policy of Tata's engineers and it showed by launching the 2.2 VTT Dicor in the Safari, clearly Tata's most refined and sophisticated diesel motor yet. While the safari is still plagued by minor (or sometimes major) niggles, the product continues to sell in decent numbers, as it provides an all round combination of qualities what we need in a SUV at a decent price bracket.

7) However, the indicruz will be an entirely different ballgame together. Tata is targeting the top end varients of the innova, and of course, a new premium Joint family vehicle segment will be created, so pricing will carry a premium and of course, Tata has to get things right, so there will be no second chances.

All things look right at first place, 2.2 dicor with 16v DOHC with VGT, power is estimated at 155-165 ps, 0-100 of about 13-14 seconds, 7 CANBUS computers that control the vehicle right from EPS to the immobilizer to the LED/ projector lights to the ABS/ airbags to the advanced engine diagnostic system etc, to the advanced suspension system etc etc, tata has to execute this concept well, if it has to win buyers who are willing to spend more than a million bucks for a tata product.

8) After all, the company plans to expand heavily in Europe and ASEAN regions and this vehicle will be critical to its presence. Thats why Tata is testing its vehicles at various locations around the world.

9) When the covers come off on January 5, it promises to be Tata's most expensive, most sophisticated, most luxurious, most upscale and technically most advanced product yet.

Now where does the upcoming improved Safari go from here? and what will be its fortunes? Only time will tell when the covers come off.
1) Is this the same platform on which " new " Safari is going to be based ? Nice to have a monocoque, we will have better handling car now. Good step, but Tata must price it higher. If this car ends up in taxi, more load will be given and in the taxi segment in India, thanks to rough usage on bad terrain and overloading, body on chassis is good.
Overall a nice move.

2) Doubt that. Small car will take the crown here, specially the number of cars we are going to have in Rs. 4 lakh range.

3) IRS ?!! Nice again for on road handling. Very nice. Appreciate Tata for this. But then is this car RWD ? Or FWD ? Next, I think that if the platform is to be utilized for Safari, 4X4 must be a possibility. Think of AWD 165 bhp minivan.

4) Tata needs to improve on niggling issues and A.S & S. Here also they have to show learning curve.

5) Tata's niggling issues with Safari is also one of the reason why Scorpio just crushed it.

6) 2.2 is not Tata motor. Its from AVL. Both, Safari 2.2 and Scorpio 2.2 have same engine block IIRC. Tata went in to different supplier for common rail than Mahindra. Mahindra detuned it as Scorpio was not a good handler with all 140 horses.

Toyota does have a 2.2 diesel with them. Its a 2231cc unit ( basically these two 2.2 units when combined forms the motor that powers the LC200 diesel ). If Toyota comes up with 2.2 160-170 bhp diesel, Indicruz will have one of its main advantage lost.

7) Man, projector lights! Considering the features, I think Toyota will have to run for cover.
Tata must do one thing : Launch many variants of this car. Right from base version with only PS and AC, next, add PS, next add roof vents ( independent evaporator coil ), etc. till the highest version. This will give them a very wide range to cover, right from Xylo to Innova.

8) I hope this car undergoes ENCAP test if they want to expand in EU. See what S-max had achieved, Tata can surely aim for success in EU. Additionally, the ENCAP rating will give them an edge as far as marketing and ads go.

9) Can we expect the news to come on TBHP before 5th Jan ? And Safari will then cater to a different segment. I also think that Safari will not be as good an offroader if it comes with monocoque.

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The first and the last teaser. This pic was taken long time back and I waited for the 1000 occasion to post it. Please DO NOT ask me for more.
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Spied 2010 Tata Safari / Indicruz EDIT : Caught testing in India! Pics on Pg. 20-dsc01843.jpg  


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What are we supposed to make out of this Sid? is it a part of the ad, or is it a video being played in the cruze?
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Five meter length will draw super luxury segment excise taxes. Tata knows it well and keep it at just 4950mm.

Well I pray TATA should keep great focus on Pricing with great level of standar equipment including standard ABS & twin airbags right from base model of Xover.

Tata must check 2010 KIA Sorento, KIA Mohave international /US prices as inspiring reference.

Hyundai/Toyota/GM prices in India are exorbidantly high largely due to non competitive Indian brand model/products from an Indian auto company.

Tata offering a truely international speced, featured product on par with GLOBAL Market inspired pricing offered to Indian buyers is very Important to benefit Indians.

I see this Indian automobile moment akin to 2000 millenium bug programming that brought Latent Indian software talent to light and giving great share in our GDP, higher employment -earnings levels and more importantly great Indian Identity by means of delivering truely international Quality software & services.

Now as an responsible Indian company Tata has an very important role to play, to change the trend with this hi-quaility competant prodcut.

Only when Indian auto companies begin to provide global range Quality products at Indian cost/pricies, Honda/Toyotas will be forced to sell their products at realistic prices on par with their global prices to us Indians.

I wish TATA succeed in this Indian Automobile quest globally with sheer competitiveness and professional product quality.
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The pic looks like a disection of the turbocharger .
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