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Old 21st April 2011, 11:35   #106
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all this info is really getting my hopes up and I would be very pleased indeed if this came true!
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Pricing would be the key factor for all the upcoming 4x4s (Force SUV, Dacia, etc). I just realized that there is no 4x4 under 12L in Indian market except for Thar . Apart from Thar, the next available 4x4 here Scorpio which priced at whopping 14,27,801 OTR Bangalore.
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4wd Scorp with Airbags, ABS and AT is 15.3 lacs OTR BLR. Ridiculous pricing given the quality, the fit, finish and other such things!

The Duster can come in and smash the market if the pricing speculations actually are for real. Indeed, I hope they do. We've been fobbed off with sub-standard quality and general rubbish for too long.

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Pricing would be the key factor for all the upcoming 4x4s (Force SUV, Dacia, etc). I just realized that there is no 4x4 under 12L in Indian market except for Thar . Apart from Thar, the next available 4x4 here Scorpio which priced at whopping 14,27,801 OTR Bangalore.
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4wd Scorp with Airbags, ABS and AT is 15.3 lacs OTR BLR. Ridiculous pricing given the quality, the fit, finish and other such things!

The Duster can come in and smash the market if the pricing speculations actually are for real. Indeed, I hope they do. We've been fobbed off with sub-standard quality and general rubbish for too long.
Now am starting to wonder if Dacia will be priced in the range that we are expecting it to be at. When our Indian manufacturers are pricing there models on par with the premium manufacturers (Eg: Skoda Yeti). Do you think we can get Duster for less that 12L. Even at 12L do you think it is a VFM ?

I think Scorpio pricing is insane at 14.28L for an MT version. Am waiting to see the sales figures of this in the coming months.
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I think Scorpio pricing is insane at 14.28L for an MT version. Am waiting to see the sales figures of this in the coming months.
Frankly speaking, I think with the constant price revisions (going north), the Scorp now is a sitting duck. It has poor quality all round for such pricing. A sitting duck waiting to be shot. The Safari has been dead for a long while now.

By the way, I hate manufacturers who milk customer by giving easy to have 'creature comforts' than on improving the quality of the product. The Scorp has cruize control and what not...Can Mahindra fix the rattles and improve the plastics first. India and Indians are obsessed with 'premium' tags. Every tom dick and harry manufacturer is hell bent on calling its car a:- 'Premium offering'. Really?

I am waiting for this Duster too. It looks like basic robust vehicle. Go Renault:- Price this vehicle sensibly and watch it fly off the shelves.

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bang on absolutely!

its years since the scorp and the likes of it have been ruling the roost.
yes as a first effort it was a good suv in some ways. but the design is poor. the fit and finish is sad. they are highly inflexible people at M&M who think that the Indian consumer is going to be happy with some cheap tarty sort of bling (in terms of design) and some fiddly cheap electronic gizmos here and there. For gods sake one cannot even order the colour of vehicle one wants from M&M, in case one is ordering a 4WD! Just who on earth do they think they are? In today's consumer ruled world they'd better wake up or face en masse desertion of loyalists!

Look at the quality of the ORVMs in the new scorp. whack it with your hand and you will hear a sound like a cheap brittle plastic bucket being banged with a stick.

Granted it comes with ABS and Airbags (2 front ones anyway). Also granted its got a good engine and some decent network of service and spares etc. But the vehicle per se is full of flaws and issues that they should have been hard at work to improve ever since its launch in 2001 or whenever! But no, they didnt do all that much in terms of improvement. They were too busy greedily selling numbers to a half starved (automotively speaking) populace who were grateful for anything they got which was half decent - especially having just come out of a horrible monopolistic quasi socialistic bent of mind on the governments side.

Now the self same populace has moved on in terms of various other manufacturers having raised the bar! The Scorp chaps could very simply have offered consumers options - such as the safety kit and so on across variants. They could have encouraged consumers to make a choice and I am 100% sure many of us would have too.

The Duster on the other hand is built on a very simple premise. Affordable, Modern SUV with all terrain capability. Tough and reliable. Strongly engineered and with the Euro standard safety kit as well. It seems to be quite a hit everywhere its gone so far. Rural France, Spain, Portugal and the Eastern European nations all seem to be welcoming its VFM with open hands and wallets. It also seems to be causing some ripples in Brazil, Mexico and other places. If as everyone is speculating, the Renault guys hold true to their consumer promise and provide all the kit with the vehicle they will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Until now all we have seen here in India in terms of SUVs and soft roaders and so on have been basically brutally over priced poseur wagons - with the exceptions of a few. Every single manufacturer has gone straight for the upper end - 20-30 lakh price points.

Not one of them has bothered about the 7-12 lakh segment where the real action is - the only people who moved on this opportunity were the M&Ms and Tatas of the world - and even they have priced their top spec vehicles quite stupidly high!

There are so many people out there who are keenly awaiting a good functional, well designed, modern SUV at a fair price! It is a natural corollary that any vehicle (like the Duster) that comes in here at the right price will simply clobber the market!

The only worry is that Renault needs to severely ramp up its sales and service operations asap! And I dont quite agree with their strategy of coming in first with the Fluence and Koleos. Dump the Koleos for the moment I would say, because that segment is way overcrowded right now. Bring in the Koleos and barge in with the Duster. They will be in a position to sweep the marketplace with this suggested two pronged approach!!

I for one would be more than happy to dump my Scorpio immediately the Duster comes along and buy one straightaway in the top spec version - I cannot wait for the pricing and the launch date announcement. Indeed I dont mind even paying them a booking amount straightaway if they can guarantee me delivery of their first car off the block!!

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Indian design houses, according to me are very much in terms of technology.
Where they really fall flat is the fit and finish of the product.

Its not that they cannot do it. Its I think just a question of priority.
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I for one would be more than happy to dump my Scorpio immediately the Duster comes along and buy one straightaway in the top spec version - I cannot wait for the pricing and the launch date announcement. Indeed I dont mind even paying them a booking amount straightaway if they can guarantee me delivery of their first car off the block!!
I understand your sentiments. I have been in the market (ready to buy if not actively looking) for an SUV for along time. Noe with the passage of time, I have decent budget too (13-15 lacs; most probably from Gurgaon purchase). However, where are the SUVs? Any half decent SUV is prices north of 22 lakhs. This is rubbish.

in fact, I have been focusing my energies trying to gauge what do people understand by the term 'Engineering/Quality'. Scorp/Safari is the exact opposite to what my definition stands for. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ou-prefer.html (Better Engineered car vs Feature rich car: Which will you prefer)

I have also changed course and am trying to find a good D segment car for myself. The 'new' Jetta appeals me. But you know what: All this coz there is simply NO quality SUV at decent price.
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They were too busy greedily selling numbers to a half starved (automotively speaking) populace who were grateful for anything they got which was half decent - especially having just come out of a horrible monopolistic quasi socialistic bent of mind on the governments side.
I agree, blame it on Real estate goons, these are the major contributors.

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Now the self same populace has moved on in terms of various other manufacturers having raised the bar! The Scorp chaps could very simply have offered consumers options - such as the safety kit and so on across variants. They could have encouraged consumers to make a choice and I am 100% sure many of us would have too.
Agree but, a manufacturer like Hyundai whom we know as the second best auto gaint in terms of sales and service screwed up the Santa-Fe line up by bringing it in as CBU and hence pricing it insanely. By having such a big manufacturing facility, when Hyundai couldn't think about manufacturing santa-Fe locally, what should we be expecting from a relatively new player like Renault

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The only worry is that Renault needs to severely ramp up its sales and service operations asap!
Am sure this cant happen overnight, nonethe less show us some light is what we ask the manufacturers.

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And I dont quite agree with their strategy of coming in first with the Fluence and Koleos. Dump the Koleos for the moment I would say, because that segment is way overcrowded right now. Bring in the Koleos and barge in with the Duster. They will be in a position to sweep the marketplace with this suggested two pronged approach!!
Every manufacturer wants to make hay while sun shines and wants to follow the heard, but no one wants to stand out of the crowd or think out of box.

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I for one would be more than happy to dump my Scorpio immediately the Duster comes along and buy one straightaway in the top spec version - I cannot wait for the pricing and the launch date announcement. Indeed I dont mind even paying them a booking amount straightaway if they can guarantee me delivery of their first car off the block!!
Who doesn't want VFM vehicles Sir, this month alone I had TD'd Scorpio twice and once a Bolero Vlx. I really need to change, my usage has changed, but there's not a single offering in the market which fullfills my needs and remember am not asking anything unusual here. My requirement would just be, for Eg: Bolero with decent interiors (better quality of materials) and 4WD and basic security features like ABS and airbags.

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ampere - thats a thought indeed. Must be a question of priorities. Wish Mr AM or Mr PG of M&M would read TBHP - maybe one should take printouts of all these sentiments and courier them to him.

2500 & abhi - yes I ve always preferred jeepish things - all my life. which is why the second car I owned was an old MG410. Simply couldnt afford even a secondhand one for my first car in the early-mid 90's. then I got one more - in the early 2000's - which had AC and fiddly things in it. We had very few options and all of them were at that time priced too high. BUt being Petrol driven it was tearing holes everywhere, pocket, bank balance, savings, future earnings etc etc. Horrible.

And yes Hyundai's Santa Fe will probably go the same way the Terracan and Tucson did. Why would anyone pay close to 25-27 lakh for a Korean fiddle box when there are other options available at those prices? Time will tell but I do believe the Santa Fe will die slowly like the other SUVs they brought out. And you're bang on with that point - they are so big in India - how long does it take for them to fix up a CKD setup with good amount of localization? Or do we have to wait another 10 years for that to happen?

Then that Bolero - which as 2500CC says is a superb functional vehicle, was the only Diesel option available at a fair price for long years. If M&M could simply have ensured that its interiors and fit and finish etc were upto scratch plus there was the option of ABS and Airbags and other modern safety kit across all variants then loads of people would simply buy it! No worries there because it is a functional beast! Same goes for the Scorp!

the Thar - the less said about that ancient MM540 rehash tart up job the better - despite what anyone may say.

Why on earth can they not modernize and move with the times? Will they forever be selling these old things - revamped from time to time? And what makes them think they can get away with the 15-18-19 lac pricing - given their standards of interiors and so on? I am actually angry with M&M for being so blighted insensitive to consumers like us who are old time users of their vehicles and who have been consistently spending hard earned money buying their vehicles.

Really I just cant wait to move out of the M&M stable given their attitude to consumer insights and feedback.

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FE of the Diesel (actual conditions - mixed city & highway) - 47.4mpg / 20.1 kpl

Source: Dacia Duster review - Telegraph
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See here is the problem. In the end, he article refers to saying that, its low cost, family SUV, but what is the big deal, as even the rivals offer at the same price.

But the rivals here in India offer it at almost double the price. (Yeti)

(Yes there is a 1.5 to 2L engine difference), but double the price?
I guess the price should remain in the 10-15L range at most.
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ashutosh this article you posted is of relevance in the UK - not in India.

Here, the Duster should kick up the dust to use a bad pun. Because the only other vehicles around at that pricing are the Scorp and Safari and indeed both their top spec versions are very highly overpriced for such old vehicle designs.

The base Duster starts are 11000 odd EUR and the Top end one goes to 15000 odd.
These are extremely affordable prices if they were to be translated to Indian terms on CKD + localization basis.

With the kit on offer in the Duster at this price, it should sail happily away from its competition.

Effectively it will be like a "half price Yeti" - similar functionality levels, slightly bigger in size and proportions, but much less expensive -meant for the regular average Joe who doesnt have/ wish to spend 20+ lacs on a daily use, rough and tumble utility vehicle.
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hehe.. i only quoted the FE figures from the article!

Regarding the pricing, I will wait for the day they make the announcement. Reason.. remember the media reports on the Logan being launched at 4 lakhs!
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yes i agree it is better to wait for the announcement officially rather than speculate so much. But one lives in hope, wouldnt you say?

but really, its a darned good package on offer if only Renault gets it off the ground asap for us in India. Cant imagine what holds these fellows up for so long!

and the incredible lack of transparency from Auto manufacturers is quite irritating. why cant they seed the market with proper information to keep the public interested. if good quality info is available a number of people will probably postpone their purchase decisions depending on need and such manufacturers will benefit from the "ready and waiting" buyer base that they've created with the "market seeding" activity! seems logical to me but of course, like GOD, all these chaps move in mysterious ways, their wonders to perform!

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hehe.. i only quoted the FE figures from the article!

Regarding the pricing, I will wait for the day they make the announcement. Reason.. remember the media reports on the Logan being launched at 4 lakhs!
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