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Old 23rd September 2015, 20:49   #121
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Would like to add the S Cross 1.6, Ecosport Ecoboost and XUV 500 to this list. The S Cross punch is comparable to the first cruze. Don't know if XUV has been mentioned but that car does have legs even though it doesn't rev a lot. Linea Tjet too is quite a sleeper. Also wanted to mention the 800 five speed, although it's been almost a decade when it was produced.

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Polo GT TSI! Ultimate Sleeper car!
Fastest car under 10 lacs & which looks like any other polo
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The concept of this thread itself is flawed. One can't have a 'production' sleeper car. If a dull looking car does 0-100 in 10 secs or tops 200k from the factory, well that's it's specs. So a stock car performing as per specs can't be a sleeper. A sleeper is a car which has non factory mods put in it with no exterior batching which performs better than factory specs with no outside batching or mods to give it away.

No production car is a sleeper.
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The concept of this thread itself is flawed. One can't have a 'production' sleeper car. If a dull looking car does 0-100 in 10 secs or tops 200k from the factory, well that's it's specs. So a stock car performing as per specs can't be a sleeper. A sleeper is a car which has non factory mods put in it with no exterior batching which performs better than factory specs with no outside batching or mods to give it away.

No production car is a sleeper.
Not really, a sleeper car is any car which is faster than what it looks,you can find many production sleeper car lists on jalopnik or similar sites.
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Perusing this thread gives me an impression that almost half of the cars launched in India are sleeper cars (!).
Is there a clear cut criteria for terming something as a sleeper?
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Perusing this thread gives me an impression that almost half of the cars launched in India are sleeper cars (!)
Apparently, half of them do put people to sleep. Technically they are right.
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Not really, a sleeper car is any car which is faster than what it looks,you can find many production sleeper car lists on jalopnik or similar sites.
Quoting from wikipedia: A sleeper (US English) or Q-car (British English) is a car that has high performance and an unassuming exterior. Sleeper cars are so called because their exterior looks little or no different from a standard or economy-class car. In some cases the car appears worse due to seeming neglect on the owner's part, typically referred to as "all go and no show". While appearing to be a standard or neglected car, internally they are modified to perform at higher performance levels. The American nomenclature comes from the term sleeper agent, while the British term derives from the Q-ships used by the Royal Navy.

Hence a sleeper car is a standard car which looks standard from outside but has been modified for performance inside. A production car can never be a sleeper car no matter how it looks, because its production specs don't lie about its performance. Every car maker will add his/her performance credentials to the batch example Alto 1.1 or Polo GT to name a few.
Hence this thread is irrelevant.

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Quoting from wikipedia: A sleeper (US English) or Q-car (British English) is a car that has high performance and an unassuming exterior. Sleeper cars are so called because their exterior looks little or no different from a standard or economy-class car. In some cases the car appears worse due to seeming neglect on the owner's part, typically referred to as "all go and no show". While appearing to be a standard or neglected car, internally they are modified to perform at higher performance levels. The American nomenclature comes from the term sleeper agent, while the British term derives from the Q-ships used by the Royal Navy.

Hence a sleeper car is a standard car which looks standard from outside but has been modified for performance inside. A production car can never be a sleeper car no matter how it looks, because its production specs don't lie about its performance. Every car maker will add his/her performance credentials to the batch example Alto 1.1 or Polo GT to name a few.
Hence this thread is irrelevant.
If you scroll down further, there are clear examples of production cars, in fact the the page features a Mercury Marauder which as it clearly states is a performance version of the Marquis or simply a sleeper crown Victoria SOLD BY FORD. There are more production cars specified in that article.
Please read the beginnings part of that page, don't want to offend or anything but at least read something that you're citing.
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If you scroll down further, there are clear examples of production cars, in fact the the page features a Mercury Marauder which as it clearly states is a performance version of the Marquis or simply a sleeper crown Victoria SOLD BY FORD. There are more production cars specified in that article.
Please read the beginnings part of that page, don't want to offend or anything but at least read something that you're citing.
Aah.. may be it's your turn to read a bit more carefully. Does India have a production sleeper car? Our makers are more than happy to mark the increased power via GT or 1.1/3.0 etc batches to show off the power. So there is clear differenciation from the standard model. It could also involve wider tyres, spoilers etc.. so where is your production sleeper?
Besides people are quoting ridiculous things calling even an ambassador a sleeper...

In a country where the most 'powerful' production car (not counting imports , cbu or high end cars) fails to hit 150 bhp it's funny to speak about performance.

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You said that no production car is a sleeper and I proved my point that it's not correct. Now you're just arguing for reasons which are unknown to me.
An Accord V6 isn't a CBU and de badging it will make it a classic sleeper.
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You said that no production car is a sleeper and I proved my point that it's not correct. Now you're just arguing for reasons which are unknown to me.
An Accord V6 isn't a CBU and de badging it will make it a classic sleeper.
See there you are... Debatching it. So out of the factory its is batched as per its spec right? So how is it a sleeper?
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One car I would like to add is the Toyota Etios Petrol. It has a sub 10 second 0-100 and looks fairly ordinary.
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A production car can never be a sleeper car no matter how it looks, because its production specs don't lie about its performance. Hence this thread is irrelevant.
I think you need to understand the meaning of the word 'sleeper' and its different contexts, in order to appreciate the essence of the term.

The term 'sleeper' can also refer to movies that are way better than expected. As in, a low budget production without any promotion, big studio or celebrity names that gains a cult following. The term 'sleeper' can apply to plays and books as well.

In an automobile context, a 'sleeper' is a car that performs better than expected or what the car usually represents. For instance, a regular polo is just another run of the mill car with a 1.2P/1.5D engine + regular transmission. So, people usually expect it to be behave a certain way. But, when a Polo GT whizzes past you unlike any other regular Polo, it catches you by surprise. Hence, it becomes a 'sleeper'.

I think you are confusing modded cars with sleeper cars. It doesn't matter if a sleeper was made in a factory or in a junkyard with stolen parts. A sleeper is a sleeper, because it performs better than what is expected out of it by mainstream society.

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One car I would like to add is the Toyota Etios Petrol. It has a sub 10 second 0-100 and looks fairly ordinary.
Etios and Sub Second run to 100?
Since when?
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Etios and Sub Second run to 100?
Since when?
Well it is 10.6 to be precise. So I guess it is in a small way somewhat of a sleeper.
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